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Lead Balloon 20th Jun 2021 03:15

I always marvel at the thought and quality control processes that result in stuff like this:

› your previous FDP was less than 8 hours
› your new FDP is less than 8 hours in duration
› after the new FDP you will have no more than 1 subsequent FDP that is also of less than 8 hours duration.

zanthrus 20th Jun 2021 11:21

Just don't bother reading ANY of these "regulations" and do whatever you like. F CASA! They are no longer relevant.

Chris2303 20th Jun 2021 20:21

How does this square with the CX single pilot in the cruise thread in the other forum?

Buttscratcher 21st Jun 2021 00:43


Originally Posted by zanthrus (Post 11065144)
Just don't bother reading ANY of these "regulations" and do whatever you like. F CASA! They are no longer relevant.

Not too sure about that, champ, but y'all may want to take this up with your company if you feel so strongly.
Let them sort it out, it's their job.
We adhere to our manual suite.

compressor stall 21st Jun 2021 07:18

IMNAL, however as I see it, it might be the company's job to get the manuals compliant, but the offence of strict liability in this case lies with solely the PIC - NOT the operator. Assuming you operate in the LHS, you're the one ponying up $8500 for the pee break.


Buttscratcher 21st Jun 2021 19:48

If you're that convinced, then you need to take it up with your employer.
You could refuse sectors over 2 hours, and avoid drinking coffee.

Let's know how you go.

compressor stall 21st Jun 2021 22:00

In case it’s not obvious this thread is not about me, nor my employer nor my willingness to fly.

It’s about industry collating inconsistencies in the new rules.

I witnessed Mr Carmody say - several years ago - say that the rules were coming out warts and all. They’d been dragging on for too long.

Pilots should be aware of the warts (and there are more). And understand what strict liability means

Lead Balloon 21st Jun 2021 22:29


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 11065509)
... Assuming you operate in the LHS, you're the one ponying up $8500 for the pee break.

The pee break will now cost you $11,100. A penalty unit is now $222.

It’s all about safety, dontcha know.

Buttscratcher 22nd Jun 2021 01:38

Ah....sorry, CS.
It wasn't that obvious to me.
Now I get it. You're miffed that CASA are inconsistent with their former rulings, and evolving separately to the rest of the world.
A Galapagos Island of Aviation, if you will.
I, however, think that ship of fools sailed decades ago.

Duck Pilot 22nd Jun 2021 10:16

With regards to the new 48.1 requirements, I have heard from a reliable source that operators who haven’t elected to get on board will receive an unwanted notification if they haven’t got on board by the 30th!


compressor stall 22nd Jun 2021 12:49


Originally Posted by Buttscratcher (Post 11066001)
Ah....sorry, CS.
It wasn't that obvious to me.
Now I get it. You're miffed that CASA are inconsistent with their former rulings, and evolving separately to the rest of the world.
A Galapagos Island of Aviation, if you will.
I, however, think that ship of fools sailed decades ago.

No, BS.

The move to the new ruleset is an attempt by the regulator to further harmonise with ICAO and a deliberate move away from the oft quoted Galapagos effect. If you fly EDTO you'd have seen that come in in 2015, as well as other changes since (fuel in 2019) and the obvious forthcoming.

Buttscratcher 23rd Jun 2021 07:29

......you lost me at EDTO.
That title in itself ****s me, and sums up my argument nicely.

BuzzBox 23rd Jun 2021 07:34


Originally Posted by Buttscratcher (Post 11066709)
......you lost me at EDTO.
That title in itself ****s me...

Might I ask why?

Buttscratcher 23rd Jun 2021 11:57


Originally Posted by BuzzBox (Post 11066712)
Might I ask why?

....and this is exactly what I'm talking about.

BuzzBox 23rd Jun 2021 13:07


Originally Posted by Buttscratcher (Post 11066866)
....and this is exactly what I'm talking about.

You could have just answered the damn question without the snarky attitude.

ScepticalOptomist 23rd Jun 2021 22:24


Originally Posted by Buttscratcher (Post 11066709)
......you lost me at EDTO.
That title in itself ****s me, and sums up my argument nicely.

Change is hard for some.

STLTH 24th Jun 2021 10:37


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11063271)
Can’t they just install a radio in the bog. And while they are at it, duplicates of the major instruments. A couple of video screens would fit surely. Could probably get a control yoke in as well. And some rudder pedals.


LMMFAO. I love it, I needed that laugh FOXXSTER, legend.

gordonfvckingramsay 24th Jun 2021 11:03


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 11066207)
With regards to the new 48.1 requirements, I have heard from a reliable source that operators who haven’t elected to get on board will receive an unwanted notification if they haven’t got on board by the 30th!

How is everyone’s company interpreting/applying their chosen appendix of 48.1? I am told there are some creative interpretations being fed to pilots already.

Car RAMROD 24th Jun 2021 11:56

Let’s hear some of the interpretations!

I haven’t heard too many yet, mostly because people haven’t quite figured them out yet.

Watching eyes glaze over when talking the WOCL, or the delayed reporting, or the acclimatisation, is fun. Actually that’s probably my own eyes. The rules aren’t easy to decipher and follow. Tough ask for the people who have to manage it and teach the rest of us.

But yes, I believe Duck is correct. No manual submitted to CASA by the end of this month means no flying for you in July.

Duck Pilot 24th Jun 2021 13:45

I’m sure every pilot will be able to fully comprehend it all, particularly with regards to changing between appendices during a single duty period. The 2 days of annual re-currency training, 28 day rosters and mandatory 6 days off within a rolling 28 day period are a few little land mines that some operators haven’t recognised yet.

Wash up is that most AOC holders will need to hire more pilots in order to remain compliant with the 48.1 regs.


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