not sure why you are rolling your eyes, 1000 people out of 7 million gives a margin of error of 3 percent. at a 95% confidence level which is the usual target

When the hotel quarantine began I did read somewhere that the proposition was put by someone that farming the guard duty to the security industry, rather than the ADF, was seen as a plus plus by Labor, giving employment to some of the populous who were already under the gun, and currying favour with the union responsible for the security industry, who it was said was "powerful". Think it was in "The Australian". The fact that Comrade Dan keeps lying about the offer of ADF not being made is incredulous. Interesting to see the results of the next Vic election, and if the Feds pick up any of the tab for Labors shots to both feet.

Megan, if he is still there at the next election and given the absence of a credible opposition, they will back him in again. They've done it twice before, seemingly won over by his "tough' approach.
Agree he is lying through his teeth about the ADF offer, in the face of what seems almost incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. No one seems to call this out. It's curious.

If they Poll people outside the Liberal Party HQ, they'll get a different result. Still 95% confidence I guess. There's only ever one Poll that counts and everything else is just background noise.

The Victorian DHS, now DHHS, has for many decades been a lefty organisation full of militant lesbians and strong union membership which has sadly become the primary criterion for getting onto their payroll - the Teflon suit performance during the enquiry was quite an indication of that.

During a time of crisis when the DHHS heads needed to shine and start kick serious goals on dealing with the pandemic, they instead, as the enquiry has shown, feigned memory loss and assumed others would be doing their job.

The DHHS seniority have become utterly useless and never had the ability to manage this crisis because they have not been leaders or innovators for decades while they endeavoured to preserve their impenetrable status quo. The ham fisted approach to Victorian lockdown is proof of this as they could not formulate any plan with enough fidelity to keep some more businesses ticking over.

Andrew's only fault here is that he didn't have the guts to kick these idiots out of their job earlier.

The whole lot of these DHHS senior staffers need to be taken out of the way, until then we shall continue to suffer these fools.

Polls have proven to be very accurate in the last few years....

Remove militant lesbians from their jobs? Good luck with that. Many companies are so scared of backlash they'll do anything to retain female leaders let alone executive Karen.

As one pessimist stated; true equality will be achieved when there are just as many incompetent female leaders as male ones.

The last two major loss of life events in Victoria - black Saturday and now the second wave of covid have been presided over by incompetent female ‘’leaders”.

‘’There are suggestions right now that some in DHHS could face prosecution and jail under Victoria’s. labor enacted, industrial manslaughter laws. Talk about a funny twist.

Any valid points you guys have to make are lost when you drone on with childish rubbish about how much you dislike gays or women. Actually not even childish rubbish because even children these days wouldn’t hold such nonsense views that the last few posters are harping on about. No wonder there’s such a push from corporations for diversity and inclusion these days, despite how some want to believe it’s all in the past.

Whatever happened to the “professional” bit of “PPrune”?

Lost your job - who hasn’t?

Having a hissy fit? Thought so.

A 1 in 100 year pandemic that no one in the Southern Hemisphere has ever had to deal with.

Mistakes have been made - no one is denying that. The federal government is responsible for aged care. Haven’t heard them take it on the chin.

Even with mistakes we are a shining beacon of success in dealing with this to the rest of the world.

Harden up. We get to sit on our butts and ride it out with Netflix, pizza and beer. Think of what older generations had to do to sacrifice for the greater good.


The rebound out of all this will be slow but robust. In a few years there will be a scramble like always. The bigger the down the greater the up and at the moment companies are just keeping their ink dry to weather the storm.

Some pilots will never fly again and it’s devastating but if you think DA is responsible for that... well... try putting down the crack pipe.

He’s talking about Christine Nixon during Black Saturday

It was a poorly constructed sentence by me but thats exactly what I meant - you can add a depression a recession and a range of other health crisis over the last 100 years - our generation hasn’t had to deal with anything of note. Until now.

Well stated.

Okay, didn't quite follow so thread drift deleted.:ok:

To reprise, and to quote J Albrechtsen in the Oz today, "What if 768 people died due to the actions of a business? We are allowing politicians to run a protection racket, exempting themselves from basic accountability standards they impose on businesses."
It's not a blue team/red team issue, it's what we've slept-walked into. There must be rational and proportionate levels of accountability.

That’s a completely irrational conclusion and it is one of the reasons why that is not my preferred news source.

Why?

Because 768 people didn’t die due to the actions of politicians.

768 people died because they caught a virus during a pandemic.

The politicians are in charge of managing public health policies to minimise the impact of a pandemic.

The government has done a lot to interfere with society to minimise pandemic deaths. That is completely different from the government implementing policies that cause deaths.

We can always look back on how well they did, and say that if they did better, the death count would have been lower.

We can also look back and say that if they didn’t do xxx then the death count would have been much higher, as it has turned out in most other countries.

It’s absurd to suggest that our government exists to keep us safe from disease.

What do you think is the role of government with respect to a sudden pandemic?

Correct,get rid of this lib or lab mentality,vote on the current performance,the facts are clear & show 99% of the cases & deaths have come from the hotel security disaster.
If his strategy had worked in employing these fly by night security companies we now wouldnt be hearing every day how his current strategy is working(which thankfully it is thanks to us,not him)
If he represented the libs it would be interested to see how many of the current I STAND WITH DAN social media posters would be posting.

You get the government you deserve.

Other than that, I have nothing to add on Victoria or Victorians.

Derfred,
You ask what I think the role of the government is with respect to an urgent pandemic?
A few criteria come to mind, here’s the first ten.

1. To execute decision making in a timely, clear and transparent manner.
2. To provide leadership, direction and motivation to the general citizenry to collectively work together, united in a common, urgent cause.
3. To manage and coordinate the overall effort in a coherent, measured manner.
4. To ensure that messaging, advice, information and data is provided to citizens in a timely manner, is consistent and broadcast to all, regardless of spoken language.
5. To enforce rational, reasonable constraints on the citizenry, commensurate with the minimum required to manage the risk involved.
6. To ensure that enforcement measures are applied consistently and fairly across all sections of society.
7. To continue to govern for the citizens in an open and democratic manner, subject to the normal rules of Westminster parliamentary convention.
8. To manage the spend associated with the pandemic in a transparent, open and accountable manner.
9. To ensure that adequate resources are made available to response personnel in a timely manner, according to perceived priorities.
10. To remain accountable and accept responsibility for oversight and management of the response effort.

I wonder, which of the above do you agree/disagree with, and to which would you award a pass mark to the Victorian administration?

Employees belonging to powerful unions generally get six figure salaries and have a secure job that lasts their whole working life. Think mining, construction or port workers.

Security guards that are involved in this fiasco are casual workers who earn barely above minimum pay and don't know whether they have work (or pay) tomorrow. Kind of like the lowly paid casual nursing home staff that need to work at multiple sites to make ends meet. If there were any financial impropriety, it would be to transfer government money to the coffers of fat cat business owners squeezing every cent out of their staff. (in a less cynical tone, the original spread of Covid was mostly through rich people travelling the world, the current spread worldwide is generally through poor people who are forced to work in multiple sites or have no pay if they do not work)

Right, "The Australian", that explains it.