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onehitwonder 22nd Jul 2020 07:32

747 Farewell
 
Where are all the aerosexuals?

Certainly interesting watching the footage, and now i believe they're drawing a kangaroo FL190 over the pacific?

compressor stall 22nd Jul 2020 08:05

All very nice and stirring. But I can't help thinking that the fuel bill for that jaunt could go towards some out of work QF employees, unless of course it's got paying pax in the back?

Sad times.

Bodie1 22nd Jul 2020 08:13


But I can't help thinking that the fuel bill for that jaunt could go towards some out of work QF employees
You don't like fireworks on New Years either right?

Matt48 22nd Jul 2020 08:15

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....90b0d74c6a.jpg

Left 270 22nd Jul 2020 08:18

I’m far from an aerosexual, you’ll find me hiding away from anything Aviaton related in my downtime, but that was a little ‘sad’. Some very exciting times started with a trip on those aircraft. That’s the aircraft that’s taken many young Aussie's away for the trip of a lifetime for generations now.

Bug Smasher Smasher 22nd Jul 2020 08:29

Jet A1 is more than 40% cheaper than it was a year ago and the flight did carry some freight.
This was the end of a significant era in Australian aviation. Is it really that wrong to shine a little light on some very dark times?

i.dingbat 22nd Jul 2020 08:31

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d6041a2ba5.png
Nice. Anyone know how steep those turns were?

compressor stall 22nd Jul 2020 08:38


Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher (Post 10843297)
Is it really that wrong to shine a little light on some very dark times?

As I said, stirring and sad. QF 747s took me on my first trip alone overseas as a teenager, and my first overseas trip with my kids. I have sentiment for it too.

The roo is a nice gesture. As for the rights and wrongs, it's not me to make that call - which is why I didn't. I am not QF and still - thankfully - employed and flying. Best ask those in or formerly of QF facing mounting mortgage payments.

Section28- BE 22nd Jul 2020 08:42

'MAGNIFICENT'- is all..., WOW, the history and journey!!!

Rgds all/ & be Well
S28- BE

Half Baked 22nd Jul 2020 09:09

Never again will an aircraft change the way the masses travelled, shrink the world, and make travel affordable like this magnificent and graceful bird.

To quote Section

MAGNIFICENT WOW the history and journey.


Bleve 22nd Jul 2020 09:11


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10843284)
... I can't help thinking that the fuel bill for that jaunt could go towards some out of work QF employees ...

Some rough back of the envelope calculations:

The kangaroo took about 1.5 hours to fly. At say 12 tonnes per hour and 0.8 kg per litre that’s 1.5 x 12000 / 0.8 = 22,500 litres. Who knows what QF pays for it’s fuel, but when I used to pay for Jet A1 (on behalf of my employer) I noted that it was about the same price as petrol for my car. So let’s say it’s about $1.20 per litre. 22,500 x 1.20 = $27,000. Coincidently, there about 2,700 mainline pilots in Qantas. So that kangaroo cost about $10 per pilot. I don’t think any one of them is going to complain.

PS There about 30,000 QF employees, so it cost less than one dollar per employee.

ACMS 22nd Jul 2020 09:16

You can’t help but feel a little sad today, a piece of Aviation history just left Australia........

I feel very fortunate to have flown the Queen......now I just wish I had more photos of the time......

Turnleft080 22nd Jul 2020 09:54

THE FIRST------------------------------------------------------------THE LAST
B747-238B -------------------- Aircraft type ------------------- B747-438ER
S/N 20009-147 --------------- Serial No ------------------------ S/N 32914-1331
PW JT9D-7A ------------------ Engine -------------------------- GE CF6-80C2B5
June 10 1971------------------ Rolled Out (Paine) ------------ June 6 2003
July 8 1971---------------------First Flight --------------------- July 11 2003
July 30 1971 - VH-EBA --------Registered -------------------- May 16 2003 - VH-OEJ
City of Canberra -------------- Named ------------------------ Wunala Dreaming
May 6 1993 ------------------- Last Flight to US ------------- 22 July 2020



Apologies for all the 747s in between including you little SPs.
A glorious 49 years. Just like the 707s thanks for the memories.

mustafagander 22nd Jul 2020 10:37

i.dingbat,

I am reliably informed very steep turns required, hence F190 so F5 can be extended to reduce speed and hence turn radius. Flap limit is F200.

TimmyTee 22nd Jul 2020 11:10

They got their own logo wrong! Big FU from the planners/pilots to the hot shot marketing gurus in Coward St.

galdian 22nd Jul 2020 11:34

Interesting that some can't appreciate the moment for what it is - end of an era and an aircraft that, arguably ,had the greatest impact on international air travel and was the QANTAS identity for so long.

Hate to see some of these individuals at a funeral: FFS celebrate the life, don't bitch about the death. ;)

Cheers

PPRuNeUser0182 22nd Jul 2020 11:47

Absolutely brilliant. Well done!

Bug Smasher Smasher 22nd Jul 2020 11:56


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 10843408)
They got their own logo wrong! Big FU from the planners/pilots to the hot shot marketing gurus in Coward St.

OEJ still has paws.

Keg 22nd Jul 2020 12:04


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 10843408)
They got their own logo wrong! Big FU from the planners/pilots to the hot shot marketing gurus in Coward St.

Or a big FU from the planners/ pilots to the marketing gurus in Coward St? :ok:

V-Jet 22nd Jul 2020 13:16

Absolutely Keg. A giant finger to the people that caused the problems. The leg isn't quite right, but they did it as Brian of Nazereth would have done it, in letters 10' high:)

PPRuNeUser0201 22nd Jul 2020 14:12

Geezus some of you blokes are hard to please there is no FU to anyone. This is purely what it is, an opportunity to do something cool and historic. There is no scandal, there is no negativity associated with this I assure you. And it’s news to me that the marketing gurus, gmc or anyone in QF (or aviation industry) caused COVID.
.

Capn Bloggs 22nd Jul 2020 14:27

How many waypoints in the FMS for that?! Tap tap tap quicker, FO (Capt in RHS) Bloggs, the head's coming up!!!!! https://yoursmiles.org/msmile/compgame/m19014.gif


601 22nd Jul 2020 14:55

Just about as good as the Marree Man.

Never on the payroll at QF, but I did manage to score a few circuits in the 747 sim in 1980.
Thanks Reg

beachbumflyer 22nd Jul 2020 17:48


Originally Posted by onehitwonder (Post 10843259)
Where are all the aerosexuals?

Certainly interesting watching the footage, and now i believe they're drawing a kangaroo FL190 over the pacific?

What is an aerosexual?

Pugilistic Animus 22nd Jul 2020 18:01


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10843569)
Just about as good as the Marree Man.

Never on the payroll at QF, but I did manage to score a few circuits in the 747 sim in 1980.
Thanks Reg

I'm green with envy...I think every pilot would love to fly a 747.

Lew747 22nd Jul 2020 18:33


Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs (Post 10843559)
How many waypoints in the FMS for that?! Tap tap tap quicker, FO (Capt in RHS) Bloggs, the head's coming up!!!!! https://yoursmiles.org/msmile/compgame/m19014.gif

Good question...How is this route programmed into the FMS? Many individual coordinates and pseudo waypoints made manually by the flight crew? Or is made by the flight planning dept/ inserted on a nav database to be accessed or uplinked by the crew?

C441 22nd Jul 2020 22:15


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10843305)
Best ask those in or formerly of QF facing mounting mortgage payments.

Your comments are noted on another forum and those you refer to with mounting personal costs to cover, think it's a brilliant gesture to send off an iconic aircraft for Qantas and aviation as a whole. Thankfully most of these Pilots can still smile and laugh despite the tough times they're living with.


How is this route programmed into the FMS? Many individual coordinates and pseudo waypoints made manually by the flight crew? Or is made by the flight planning dept/ inserted on a nav database to be accessed or uplinked by the crew?
The planning would have been done over some time and the route would have been 'built' as, say, SYDLAX747, then loaded pre-flight, probably in an alternate route so as not to be 'seen' by the inquisitive before being activated in-flight.

Ragnor 22nd Jul 2020 22:28

I don’t know a Pilot who doesn’t love the 747, shame to see it go.

out of curiosity how were the flight crew picked? Most senior so flying with all Captains of most senior in rank?

blubak 22nd Jul 2020 22:35


Originally Posted by Flying_higher (Post 10843550)
Geezus some of you blokes are hard to please there is no FU to anyone. This is purely what it is, an opportunity to do something cool and historic. There is no scandal, there is no negativity associated with this I assure you. And it’s news to me that the marketing gurus, gmc or anyone in QF (or aviation industry) caused COVID.
.

You are 100% correct,nobody that you have mentioned caused this & to start complaining about the events of the past few days is really pretty inappropriate considering the history of the 747 in qf livery & to all who have spent many years of their careers working in or on this icon.
I was also impressed with AJ & his ability to involve as many as possible.

Fris B. Fairing 23rd Jul 2020 00:30

I would like to express my personal thanks to the clever, caring people who engineered yesterday’s display of 21st century aerial art, even though we all knew that it was the aeroplane saying goodbye. The day promised to be one of sadness, and it was, but you soothed the sadness and replaced the tears of sadness with tears of pride. Thank you.

zlin77 23rd Jul 2020 00:49

Reported on BBC World News this morning, complete with screen shots of Flight Tracker/Radar with the logo, with a global viewing audience of millions I assume it was a pretty good bang for an advertising buck.........

Ex747 23rd Jul 2020 03:03

The route was planned out using the Jepp FD Pro app on an iPad and practised in the simulator before hand. Route up-linked to the FMC pre-flight.

Pearly White 23rd Jul 2020 03:18


Originally Posted by zlin77 (Post 10843915)
Reported on BBC World News this morning, complete with screen shots of Flight Tracker/Radar with the logo, with a global viewing audience of millions I assume it was a pretty good bang for an advertising buck.........

Certainly a lot cheaper than the ads they made where the flew the children's choir all over the world.

Pearly White 23rd Jul 2020 03:27


Originally Posted by TimmyTee (Post 10843408)
They got their own logo wrong! Big FU from the planners/pilots to the hot shot marketing gurus in Coward St.

Are you the bloke who criticised the woodwind section of the orchestra playing on the Titanic as she slipped beneath the waves?

Ex FSO GRIFFO 23rd Jul 2020 03:39

Absolutely BLOODY BRILLIANT 'departure' msg................

CHEERS....

Bleve 23rd Jul 2020 03:52

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....baf056e707.png

John Eacott 23rd Jul 2020 04:58


Originally Posted by Ex747 (Post 10843967)
The route was planned out using the Jepp FD Pro app on an iPad and practised in the simulator before hand. Route up-linked to the FMC pre-flight.

Here are the waypoints 👍


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f0a36328f.jpeg

Pugilistic Animus 23rd Jul 2020 05:08


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 10844009)

Damn someone has a lot of patience or too much time on their hands...or maybe it was set up by dispatch. I wonder what Clearance Delivery had to say. Nevertheless so cool!

oicur12.again 23rd Jul 2020 05:45

Hi all

Do any of the QF folk have an eta for Mojave?

I am in the area and would love to get some pics of its arrival and I have been advised it is scheduled to touchdown at 11:30.

But there is much confusion as to which day, thursday (tomorrow here) or Friday! Is it spending one day in LAX or two?

If anyone could help pin it down it would be much appreciated.

cheers

Buster Hyman 23rd Jul 2020 06:19

Planning already underway for the A380...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....65ee803564.jpg


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