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Ladloy 4th Feb 2024 14:09


Originally Posted by Deano969 (Post 11589853)
I reckon, as I stated earlier, that they are transitioning their fleet from SAABs to Q400s under NJE, they just doubled their BNE-CNS frequency :rolleyes: and aren't they using some NJE metal in WA
As I also stated earlier, mid to long term, staff and new jets won't be as much of an issue because, I believe, the post Covid ramp up world wide is overly ambitious

Airlines and annalists likely have not taken into account what was always going to happen after Covid
Countries collectively injecting multiple trillions into economies during Covid was always going to be inflationary in the recovery stage
Governments were always going to have to recoup the stimulus resulting in higher taxes
The aging population problem was certainly not helped by Covid with millions of people world wide taking early retirement creating the current labour shortage driving up wages for the rest and further adding to inflation
All resulting in a cost of living problem and much higher interest rates and rents taking disposable income levels to new lows
This is all having impacts on commercial aviation as you can see with falling load factors with the likes of REX and more cancelations with QF/JQ and VA
Airlines have over ordered new frames and they will be offloading older frames earlier, to REX's benefit

No one is offloading Q400 frames. Even then, whos money are they going to use to buy them?
I honestly think their quarterly will be very interesting.

43Inches 4th Feb 2024 20:24


Originally Posted by Deano969 (Post 11589853)
I reckon, as I stated earlier, that they are transitioning their fleet from SAABs to Q400s under NJE, they just doubled their BNE-CNS frequency :rolleyes: and aren't they using some NJE metal in WA
As I also stated earlier, mid to long term, staff and new jets won't be as much of an issue because, I believe, the post Covid ramp up world wide is overly ambitious

Airlines and annalists likely have not taken into account what was always going to happen after Covid
Countries collectively injecting multiple trillions into economies during Covid was always going to be inflationary in the recovery stage
Governments were always going to have to recoup the stimulus resulting in higher taxes
The aging population problem was certainly not helped by Covid with millions of people world wide taking early retirement creating the current labour shortage driving up wages for the rest and further adding to inflation
All resulting in a cost of living problem and much higher interest rates and rents taking disposable income levels to new lows
This is all having impacts on commercial aviation as you can see with falling load factors with the likes of REX and more cancelations with QF/JQ and VA
Airlines have over ordered new frames and they will be offloading older frames earlier, to REX's benefit

The world is just returning to pre-Covid levels of travel. The post Covid travel bubble was just the unexpected kick off, that everyone thought would be much slower. Interest rates are at normal levels, not high or low, sub 3% is very low, 1980s style 12% is high. The only thing that's different today for Australia is house prices, but considering the amount of Aussies that have paid off, or have paid down their mortgage considerably it does not affect a huge segment of the population. That is why there is no house price crash or adjustment, people can still afford houses, even paying cash outright. Add to the equation that higher interest rates is better for retirees with cash accounts.

If you are cash poor with high debt, life sucks right now. If you have cash and assets of value, life is good.

As for lots of used aircraft becoming available. That's completely against the current trend. Deliveries on new aircraft are slow, Airbus is way behind, Boeing is still struggling with Max issues. The news at present is that more pressure is on airlines to retain older fleet pushing up the price of used 'frames'. Q400s are high usage aircraft, with lots of maintenance issues, if anyone thinks they can buy old ones and they will be like the SAAB 340 in terms of reliability, they are digging a big muddy hole to wallow in.

ebt 4th Feb 2024 23:53


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11590045)
No one is offloading Q400 frames. Even then, whos money are they going to use to buy them?
I honestly think their quarterly will be very interesting.

Between five lessors there are 48 Q400s stored at the moment, out of 151 of the fleet stored, including ex Horizon birds and other fleet retirements, so there is no shortage of frames. NJE lease all of their newer equipment anyway, so they can just rely on the operating cashflow to do it.

Icarus2001 4th Feb 2024 23:53


This is all having impacts on commercial aviation as you can see with falling load factors with the likes of REX and more cancelations with QF/JQ and VA
The cancellations are not due to low load factors but because of a lack of crew. REX on the other hand is looking more like Wiley Coyote as he runs off the cliff, the fall is delayed a few seconds until he realises there is no ground beneath him.

Ladloy 5th Feb 2024 00:51


Originally Posted by ebt (Post 11590348)
Between five lessors there are 48 Q400s stored at the moment, out of 151 of the fleet stored, including ex Horizon birds and other fleet retirements, so there is no shortage of frames. NJE lease all of their newer equipment anyway, so they can just rely on the operating cashflow to do it.

My guess is the only current cashflow is from PAG, which is running out fast. They're having to send Saab crew to the US for type rating training because they pissed off Ansett Sim centre. The crew that are left, both on the 73 and the Saab are still leaving in droves (moreso from the Saab). No one is applying other than for the cadetship and that is putting a huge strain on available lhs upgrades. It's hard to take a RHS on a saab at a 60k salary. You can make the same at Bunnings or Woolies.

How would they even expand with Q400s in the current financial climate? It would mean they would be limited to routes also served by Qantaslink which is completely against their own business plan.

eric600 5th Feb 2024 02:18

New here, can any current employee enlighten me on what's the roster like for SAAB captains?

Thanks

SOSIJ 5th Feb 2024 09:26

Sydney based skipper
65-75 flying hrs a roster
2-3 Perth trips a roster flying over there seems to be standard now
8 RDOs a roster
Message me if you want to know anything else!

BEVLY9 5th Feb 2024 09:42


Originally Posted by eric600 (Post 11590380)
New here, can any current employee enlighten me on what's the roster like for SAAB captains?

Thanks

Pick a base you don’t want to live in because you will never be there anyway.

28 day roster, 8-10 days off, most east coast captains getting rostered anywhere up to 1-3 weeks out of base in Perth, Brisbane, Cairns, Townsville

eric600 5th Feb 2024 11:39

How many legs/sectors do you guys fly in a day?
Thanks for the response!

SOSIJ 5th Feb 2024 19:29

Anywhere from 2 to 6 sectors

Al E. Vator 6th Feb 2024 00:40

Rex is a great product. Better aircraft and friendlier cabin staff than everyone else they compete with.

Suggestion to slow the departure of aircrew would be to immediately bin the Lowly Flt Ops gent (ex-other airlines) who seems to be the catalyst for so much disharmony in that dept & make the pilots feel a vital, respected part of the team.

Big egos like that do way more harm than good. The industry needs to purge this 1950's, self-serving nonsense and get with the times.

gamma69 6th Feb 2024 03:53


Originally Posted by eric600 (Post 11590380)
New here, can any current employee enlighten me on what's the roster like for SAAB captains?

Thanks

Eric, I left the place just under a decade ago, comments from follow pilots that are still there, seems nothing has changed.
So don’t hope for it to change.

Icarus2001 6th Feb 2024 04:09


Better aircraft and friendlier cabin staff than everyone else they compete with.
How are their B737 better?

​​​​​​​Cabin crew, well that varies on the day. Good and poor with both the majors. Mostly good though.

mikewil 6th Feb 2024 11:03


Originally Posted by Al E. Vator (Post 11591099)
Rex is a great product. Better aircraft and friendlier cabin staff than everyone else they compete with.

Suggestion to slow the departure of aircrew would be to immediately bin the Lowly Flt Ops gent (ex-other airlines) who seems to be the catalyst for so much disharmony in that dept & make the pilots feel a vital, respected part of the team.

Big egos like that do way more harm than good. The industry needs to purge this 1950's, self-serving nonsense and get with the times.

Not sure how you define better aircraft if you are referring to their regional operation.

Sure the Saabs are reliable and economical, but better in what way? Comfort on the ground on a hot day? Not sure a Saab could compare to the APU equipped aircraft that the competitors are using....

dejapoo 7th Feb 2024 07:54

Ice cold, better than my APU in my opinion thanks to their air con hose setup…

eric culturally they despise direct entry captains. I started with 8. We all quit within 3 months, most didn’t make the aeroplane.

MickG0105 7th Feb 2024 08:06


Originally Posted by dejapoo (Post 11592006)

We all quit within 3 months, most didn’t make the aeroplane.

Quit? Or were you relentlessly pillaged by a rival?

markis10 7th Feb 2024 09:27

Meanwhile over at Pel Air there is an issue with three failure to pressurise ascents over a short period, I suppose you get what you pay for ;)

eric600 8th Feb 2024 12:52

Thanks for all the info, this helps a lot but it doesn't surprise me. Most concerns,issues and dilemma pilots face between airlines are same-same around the world. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Despise? Thats a strong word mr. dejapoo. Are you saying rex SAAB fleet culture would make things difficult particularly for direct entry left seat?

Ladloy 8th Feb 2024 19:35


Originally Posted by eric600 (Post 11592925)
Thanks for all the info, this helps a lot but it doesn't surprise me. Most concerns,issues and dilemma pilots face between airlines are same-same around the world. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Despise? Thats a strong word mr. dejapoo. Are you saying rex SAAB fleet culture would make things difficult particularly for direct entry left seat?

You wont have an issue with direct entry LHS if you take a regimented approach to the way they fly the saab. The people are great, the management is by far the worst I've dealt with. Your decision making is always under the microscope. It's never the fault of fatigue, 35 year old aircraft with crappy refurbished parts or management team.

Ladloy 8th Feb 2024 19:49


Originally Posted by eric600 (Post 11592925)
Thanks for all the info, this helps a lot but it doesn't surprise me. Most concerns,issues and dilemma pilots face between airlines are same-same around the world. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Despise? Thats a strong word mr. dejapoo. Are you saying rex SAAB fleet culture would make things difficult particularly for direct entry left seat?

You wont have an issue with direct entry LHS if you take a regimented approach to the way they fly the saab. The people are great, the management is by far the worst I've dealt with. Your decision making is always under the microscope. It's never the fault of fatigue, 35 year old aircraft with crappy refurbished parts or management team.


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