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MonsterC01 12th May 2020 02:25


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 10779799)
no no no, dig up stupid

HAHAHA, LOVE IT!!!

As a 10 year FO with Virgin I can tell you that I’ve never made 190k. I’d need to work 70% of my days off to bank that kind of scratch.

-41 12th May 2020 02:26

okay Telfer86 how much do you earn?

chookcooker 12th May 2020 02:46


Originally Posted by Telfer86 (Post 10779853)
Selective quoting of data is easy

I agree.

however:

“60 hrs/rp
10.5 rp/yr
$300k/yr capt NB average
$190k/yr FO NB average”

would indicate you somehow struggle with it Dopey

TT738 12th May 2020 02:48


Originally Posted by Telfer86 (Post 10779853)
Whoo Hoo Whoo Hoo

https://www.rtbuvicloco.com.au/wp-co...-certified.pdf

& from the Age stating Metro train drivers average $102K & Vline $120 K , hardly epic numbers

Selective quoting of data is easy & quoting what the driver of the longest iron ore train , at the most wealthy iron ore company , driving
the most technically complex train , whilst interesting doesn't reflect the average train driver

Seems like we have clarified the earnings of diesel fitters are

What did the ten year Virgin SO earn ? (I will just say higher or lower)

QR suburban train drivers reported as earning $220k+ lots of overtime, as normal week is very short. Although there's a supposed shortage of train drivers, you have to know someone, promise to give your "1st child" to the union & do a long training course, which should take a few hours but takes 12 months or more on full pay, I mean, it's much more complicated that being a pilot, there's a brake & an accelerator (no indicators & that's it)

-41 12th May 2020 03:04


Originally Posted by Telfer86 (Post 10779853)
Whoo Hoo Whoo Hoo

https://www.rtbuvicloco.com.au/wp-co...-certified.pdf

& from the Age stating Metro train drivers average $102K & Vline $120 K , hardly epic numbers

Selective quoting of data is easy & quoting what the driver of the longest iron ore train , at the most wealthy iron ore company , driving
the most technically complex train , whilst interesting doesn't reflect the average train driver

Seems like we have clarified the earnings of diesel fitters are

What did the ten year Virgin SO earn ? (I will just say higher or lower)


Absolutely BS the going rate for a Diesel fitter is $85 an hour. I have several in my family and can assure you they are beyond $200K hence my reference to a diesel fitter :)

Your yet to divulge how large you pay is - so we can decide if its too grandiose.




or are you another frustrated travel agent

non_state_actor 12th May 2020 06:44


You guys see shadows everywhere , somebody has a different opinion to you & you think it is appropriate to threaten & belittle them
Except that your figures on salaries are impossible and you post a reference to the document they came from without even reading it!!! :ugh:Go away and figure out what the Hourly Rate is then see how short of your 300K figure you are.




The Bullwinkle 12th May 2020 07:58


Originally Posted by Telfer86 (Post 10779888)
Oh goodness me a veiled threat by an anonymous internet poster

You guys see shadows everywhere , somebody has a different opinion to you

& you think it is appropriate to threaten & belittle them

What class what sophistication you display

I'm quite ambivalent towards airline pilots if you must know ; think of them like I might think about a radiographer or crane driver , garden variety librarian etc & that sums to
not a whole lot

Just present accurate data & stop telling these fantastic stories about the earnings of others
& then shrieking so defensively when accurate information re; Virgin earnings is revealed

I'm pretty sure a Radiographer, Crane Driver or Librarian doesn't carry the responsibility for hundreds of lives in their hands every day that they go to work!

SandyPalms 12th May 2020 08:13

You’re not very clever Telfer. When would a librarian have sole control and responsibility of an asset worth potentially upwards of 500million Australian dollars hurtling through the atmosphere at 86% the speed of sound 10 kilometres above the earths surface with 500 lives onboard? A crane driver would have more responsibility than a librarian, but still. You may not like us and believe all we do is push the big red button, but get a grip. You’re showing how ignorant you are. I’d stop it if I had been so comprehensively rebuked as you, but I guess you think we are too thick to realise how stupid you are. We aren’t.

non_state_actor 12th May 2020 08:39


it ain't rocket science to work out an average & that will be North of 239/155, I would be confident I am on the mark
Why are you confident? You have the document it spells out in black and white what the hourly rate is, and the legal maximum flight hours and you are still not even close.

SandyPalms 12th May 2020 08:42

I don't need to Telfor. Just telling you how it actually is, as its obvious you don't really understand much. But as you seem to be a garden variety librarian, I'm glad you're able to blow yourself.

A6Edriver 12th May 2020 17:08


Originally Posted by Paragraph377 (Post 10775381)
Fuel costs are always the most expensive cost component of an airline, followed by labor.

Labor costs surpassed fuel as global airlines' biggest single expense in 2016, at 22 percent of costs against just under 21 percent for fuel. That is expected to jump this year to 30.9 percent versus 20.5 percent for fuel.Feb 14, 2018. Reuters

C441 12th May 2020 22:14


Originally Posted by A6Edriver (Post 10780584)
Labor costs surpassed fuel as global airlines' biggest single expense in 2016, at 22 percent of costs against just under 21 percent for fuel. That is expected to jump this year to 30.9 percent versus 20.5 percent for fuel.Feb 14, 2018. Reuters

The Qantas Group, for example, has 30,000 staff of which about 3000 are pilots. Their cost relative to the cost of fuel and other expenses has remained relatively constant for many years. What has grown is the number of 'managers' and 'directors' on salaries equivalent to say, a First Officer and it's here that labor costs have grown significantly.

Paragraph377 12th May 2020 22:16


Originally Posted by A6Edriver (Post 10780584)
Labor costs surpassed fuel as global airlines' biggest single expense in 2016, at 22 percent of costs against just under 21 percent for fuel. That is expected to jump this year to 30.9 percent versus 20.5 percent for fuel.Feb 14, 2018. Reuters

Good data. And oops, I fu#ked up by a percent or two. What was the result for 2017, 18,19? I imagine 2020, year if the COVID, will be interesting as well considering labor and fuel costs will be down somewhat.

Half Baked 13th May 2020 06:30


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 10780055)
You’re not very clever Telfer. When would a librarian have sole control and responsibility of an asset worth potentially upwards of 500million Australian dollars hurtling through the atmosphere at 86% the speed of sound 10 kilometres above the earths surface with 500 lives onboard? A crane driver would have more responsibility than a librarian, but still. You may not like us and believe all we do is push the big red button, but get a grip. You’re showing how ignorant you are. I’d stop it if I had been so comprehensively rebuked as you, but I guess you think we are too thick to realise how stupid you are. We aren’t.

Really Sandy?

You really think about that every time you report for duty do you? Hurtling through the atmosphere at 86% of the speed of sound 10ks up...................asset worth whatever, 500 lives in your hands blah blah blah!

More akin to will I choose the chicken or beef today? And a cup of Twinings Earl Grey to go with it!

And btw, the only life you're thinking about is your own. The rest looks after itself!

i can't believe the amount of garbage that's wheeled out on this site. Good for some popcorn and a laugh though!

George Glass 13th May 2020 07:36


Originally Posted by Half Baked (Post 10781016)
Really Sandy?

You really think about that every time you report for duty do you? Hurtling through the atmosphere at 86% of the speed of sound 10ks up...................asset worth whatever, 500 lives in your hands blah blah blah!

More akin to will I choose the chicken or beef today? And a cup of Twinings Earl Grey to go with it!

And btw, the only life you're thinking about is your own. The rest looks after itself!

i can't believe the amount of garbage that's wheeled out on this site. Good for some popcorn and a laugh though!

Well at least your pseudonym is accurate.
Ever had command responsibility ?

BNEA320 13th May 2020 08:15

latest news - qld govt to bid on VA

Ragnor 13th May 2020 08:28

The QLD government could be setting a dangerous precedent here, I understand the importance in preserving jobs, but, buying an airline that wont make money for a few yrs to come. What happens if other private company's struggle.

Lookleft 13th May 2020 08:44

Wasn't PS head of QLD rail? and people think the link with John Sharp and the Nationals is on the nose.

Buster Hyman 13th May 2020 08:49

Don't have a lot of faith in a State Govt. that can't even remember to renew their Insurance policies...

Half Baked 13th May 2020 09:09

[QUOTE=George Glass;10781062]Well at least your pseudonym is accurate.
Ever had command responsibility ?[/QP

Ahhhhh George!

If only you knew! But continue to believe in your over inflated sense of importance and marvellous abilities by all means.

My job is not The one in question here. It actually keeps people on the coal face employed.

George Glass 13th May 2020 09:30

[QUOTE=Half Baked;10781158]

Originally Posted by George Glass (Post 10781062)
Well at least your pseudonym is accurate.
Ever had command responsibility ?[/QP

Ahhhhh George!

If only you knew! But continue to believe in your over inflated sense of importance and marvellous abilities by all means.

My job is not The one in question here. It actually keeps people on the coal face employed.


Well , I think that last post is a bit of a give away.
Youre not Tech. Crew are you?
Probably don’t even fly.
One of the unfortunate things I learned way back in `89 was that what ever people say to your face professing admiration for your profession evaporates in an instant when they turn their back and a sense of grievance, humiliation , perceived disadvantage and just plain jealously kick in.
No one on this thread who is a professional pilot should expect any sympathy from the general public.
Australians really don’t like anybody who step above the mediocre.
Sad, but thats the way it is.

Section28- BE 13th May 2020 09:57


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 10781132)
Wasn't PS head of QLD rail? and people think the link with John Sharp and the Nationals is on the nose.

Yes- Mr 'Lookin' toward the Port-Side......./ 'a' Section, there of....., 'one' maybe given to understand (apparently/or Not)- post AN, Prior the M/E....... OR Not...????/ 'whom' would know....- 'they' do 'seem' to move/shake and 'Operate'!!!!!

Rgds
Section28- BE

The Bullwinkle 13th May 2020 10:00


Originally Posted by Half Baked (Post 10781016)
Really Sandy?

You really think about that every time you report for duty do you? Hurtling through the atmosphere at 86% of the speed of sound 10ks up...................asset worth whatever, 500 lives in your hands blah blah blah!

More akin to will I choose the chicken or beef today? And a cup of Twinings Earl Grey to go with it!

And btw, the only life you're thinking about is your own. The rest looks after itself!

i can't believe the amount of garbage that's wheeled out on this site. Good for some popcorn and a laugh though!

Wow! Just Wow! Not even worth responding to crap like that.........

Section28- BE 13th May 2020 10:15

Queensland Government moves to buy stake in coronavirus-hit Virgin Australia
 
Ex ABC News link here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...lines/12244152

This GIG- does, Seriously Rock-It all the way back, to 'Peter & Richard' (let alone Rob and Brett....) and the Bride photo.......!!!!

COOL- a 'repechage' round, this Deep and This Far down the road....... Wow- Cool.:8

Rgds all
S28- BE

SandyPalms 13th May 2020 11:23

What happened to Telfer? He’s erased all his posts. Coward. Agreed Bullwinkle.

-41 13th May 2020 11:27

section 28
im not fluent in Swahili, are you drinking Grange from the 90's ?

Go QIC hell yeah - maybe chairman Lim will have some subsidised routes vaporise if VAH is owned by QIC. would undermine his tilt at narrow bodies with $108million in his pocket courtesy of the naughty nationals.


-41 13th May 2020 11:34


Originally Posted by SandyPalms (Post 10781288)
What happened to Telfer? He’s erased all his posts. Coward. Agreed Bullwinkle.

in the back of a Fokker on his way to a Newcrest mine in the Great Sandy desert?

Section28- BE 13th May 2020 11:43

-41, No you are not and negative, but thanks for asking- appreciate it.


Go QIC hell yeah
, watch.

Rgds
S28

Con Catenator 13th May 2020 12:39

Mr Dick, head of the QLD treasury, is prepared to waste $ 200 million on an airline with no guarantee of a future. Governments are not here to invest in failed commercial enterprises. The $ 200 million needs to go towards services for all Queenslanders, and hopefully, the QIC will disregard this proposal as the brain fart of yet another Palaszczuk government idiot looking for a village.

ozbiggles 13th May 2020 12:48

Cheer up Con, it will be more than 200million

Con Catenator 13th May 2020 12:54

Can't be OZ, I believe in everything the government tells me :ugh:

Section28- BE 13th May 2020 23:27

Three frontrunners emerge in the race to buy Virgin Australia
 
Ex 'the NEWDAILY' (Updated: 27m ago) link here: https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/f...gin-australia/

Extract/qoute here:

"Three frontrunners have emerged in the race to buy Virgin Australia.

Before Friday’s deadline for non-binding initial offers, investment firms Brookfield, BGH Capital and Bain Capital have emerged as the favourite parties to lead consortiums that buy the beleaguered airline.

The Australian Financial Review said there was an outside chance that iron ore magnate Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest, or the state governments of Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland could lead a potential fourth group of bidders.

And the Queensland government has since announced plans to bid for the airline, with new state Treasurer Cameron Dick describing the government as “a serious contender” that had made good progress in discussions with the administrators.

Sources close to the bidding process told the AFR the fourth contender would join forces with one of the other consortiums if its bid fell through, with the “serious number crunching and bidding” expected to get under way next week," ......................................
Rgds
S28

Matt48 14th May 2020 02:52


Originally Posted by BNEA320 (Post 10781110)
latest news - qld govt to bid on VA

They should just stick to their area of expertise, like stuffing up the rail network.

Superman1 14th May 2020 03:02


And the Queensland government has since announced plans to bid for the airline, with new state Treasurer Cameron Dick describing the government as “a serious contender” that had made good progress in discussions with the administrators.
oh the unions would be rubbing their hands together about this one, just imagine it being government owned and with the Labor party in power!! Industrial action for all and we could even implement traffic controllers (Lolly pop people) on each bay being paid 100k a year, add a few more WHS Officers aswell union mandated of course! Sounds like a recipe for future success!!!! Or for nothing to change...:ugh:

I honestly believe this would be the worst outcome if Virgin are to succeed long term..

Bain and Co and the private equity mobs might make some tough decisions and right sizing initially but I think with their intense focus on cost and turnarounds at least it will keep the airline going for a long time even if they do sell it off a few years later they will have built a sustainable foundation.

Dale Hardale 14th May 2020 03:10


They should just stick to their area of expertise, like stuffing up the rail network.
Paul Scurrah might be in the job market soon

The Bullwinkle 14th May 2020 10:02


Bain and Co and the private equity mobs might make some tough decisions and right sizing initially but I think with their intense focus on cost and turnarounds at least it will keep the airline going for a long time even if they do sell it off a few years later they will have built a sustainable foundation.
Yeah, right! With Jayne Hardlicker only working 9 till 3 so she can pick up the kids!!! :ugh:

Denied Justice 14th May 2020 10:19

Costs and turnarounds won't involve Hrdlicka - her track record at Jetstar and A2 were not exactly stellar.

Section28- BE 14th May 2020 11:08


Originally Posted by Dale Hardale (Post 10781933)
Paul Scurrah might be in the job market soon

Hmmmmm

Yes, gotya thinking there Mr 'Hardale'.............

However, 'apparently' the 'said' individual to/of which you refer/speak- does have inter-modal experience, with Parallel Rails ..............., and is multi-task/discipline capable/valuable- Apparently....????

Anyhoo- let us see, what tomorrow may bring.... and how it all unfolds/the chips fall ????

Rgds
S28- BE

SHVC 15th May 2020 02:31

I hope the managers and safety department don’t get ahold of today’s Australian newspaper, multiple photos of a First Officer conducting a walk around not complying with A1 manual and uniform policy.

Paragraph377 15th May 2020 03:01


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 10782988)
I hope the managers and safety department don’t get ahold of today’s Australian newspaper, multiple photos of a First Officer conducting a walk around not complying with A1 manual and uniform policy.

Aren’t the safety department too busy wandering around the Village halls chatting to one another, having 2 hour coffee breaks, then repeat and recycle the process. VA 2 should get rid of the old and bring in the new. A few Muppets in that department that have been there far too long.


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