Thank you.

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie.

Oiy, Oiy, Oiy.

Yes. This is significant. But you don't have to be racist to understand and work to counter the threats of the CCP. COVID has been the wake up call that reveals our economic vulnerability. Poor defence planning has left us militarily vulnerable in the medium term too.

Building alternative trading partners and defence pacts won't be white. Will racist bogans accept this? Or will all of a sudden Indians or Indonesians be the flavour of their vitriol and vilification?

44 odd posts and still no evidence that is was actually ‘Aussie Bogans’ or ‘Mildura Rednecks’ that are carrying this out...

Anything of substance?

Never understood this argument. We're supposedly the "poor white trash" who don't value education
YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.

Perhaps there's a bit more nuance to the facile "we're all dumb racist bogans" meme.

“On what basis do you presume to speak for everyone?”

On the basis that EVERYONE has a face planted in a cheap mobile phone surfing the net for the latest deal on a flat screen TV wearing a shirt that will be replaced next month for the princely sum of $20 and has bought into the wonders of free market neo liberal capitalism at its finest.

I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.

“but at least China because it is a communist dictatorship and Chinese companies are ultimately the tools of a communist dictatorship.”

Most Chinese companies manufacture stuff for American and German and Australian companies and are no more or less subject to the diktats of the Government than companies in America, Germany and Australia are.

Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.

“China’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.”

And Australia’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of China. And America’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.

“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”

I will too and look forward to it with baited breath.

“Perhaps the standard of living of the average Australian would be better if, instead of being mature aged babies, they understood that throwing last year’s flat screen TV and other devices onto the ever-growing piles of e-waste at the rubbish tip is good for the likes of billionaires like Gerry Harvey and his counterparts in other countries, and few else. “

I tend to agree, see my comments above regarding the problems inherent with capitalism. But good luck convincing the average consumer that they should stop consuming.

“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”

And the English did? The French? The Americans?

“YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.”

No, they are hankering for an education.

Indeed. False Flag not unlikely with the CCP.

With bogan racism playing into their hands. Australia will need to be a lot smarter than this.

Have flown in/out of Mildura 6 times in the last 4 weeks, all Sundays, including the day of this incident and can, confirm 2 cases of radio interference. The first about 3 weeks ago was 3 calls over 15 mins of "Annoying planes go away its Sunday", the most recent illegal calls last Sunday involved some extremely racist remarks made towards students of the school and Instructors, ranging fro Go Away to Burn the Chinese like the Jews. All incidents were reported to CASA by myself. At one Stage an inbound REX flight told the person via radio they were notifying local police.

It would be right and proper for those responsible to be before a magistrate.

I think we can probably all agree on that, if nothing else.

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I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.

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Really? So if the Australian government issued a ‘diktat’ to - say - Qantas - to identify and sack all Uyghur employees and all homosexual employees, ya reckon Qantas would comply? Really?

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Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.

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No ****?

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“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”

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At least I know you’re a real pilot. It’s “bated”.

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I don’t have to convince anyone. They’ll be convinced by reality that’s thrust upon them.

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“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”

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The English, French and Americans respect, protect and enforce our intellectual property rights and law of the sea rights, as does Australia theirs. The Chinese don’t. One of the reasons ‘the West’ has concerns about entering free trade agreements with China is that China does not respect intellectual property laws. All those Chinese student pilots in Australia will take back a copy of every piece of training material they can get their hands on. Slowly but steadily all those Australian flying training organisations will be replicated, to a lesser or greater extent, in China. They won’t get it anywhere near right the first time, but they are in it for the long game.

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Google “CCP influence in Australian universities”.

Asians value education so much they are quite willing to move all around the world to get one.
And more so in culture. Higher education and learning is seen as the pinnacle of achievement. You’ll never find a tradie in Asia earning more than someone with university qualifications. And a pinnacle of respect. You’ll never find the average Asian person loudly exclaiming they know more than “Academic elites”, which I hear in Australia all the time.

Higher education and knowledge will be the most valuable human resource of the 21st century.

So the country that is probably the cleanest in the world, has a murder rate 1/4th of Australia’s, has a higher GDP per capita, a higher life expectancy and a greater high school graduation rate than Australia is “one step away from ****ting in the streets” according to your logic??

I’d lhate to see what you think of an actual third world country.

Lead Balloon: Bull****. Everyone who can steals Intellectual Property ALL THE TIME. I’ve watched them do it. Furthermore, even the Chinese will cease and desist if caught red handed and a big enough fuss is made. The Israelis are just as bad as the Chinese and Americans.

Gosh. So do the English, the USA and France steal IP as much as China does?

Yesterday a Chinese state media editor described Australia as “gum stuck to the bottom of China’s shoe”. A refreshingly honest expression of China’s attitude.

Well, we are. Their GDP is 20 times higher and rising. Their population is 50 times higher. We need them more than they need us. There’s other deposits of minerals in the world. There’s other sources of food, other countries with universities and free space to operate flying schools.

It may upset some here to read this, but Australia is gum on the bottom of China’s shoe and they could easily pull us off and discard us. How many instructors will lose their jobs because China finds a new location to train their pilots? A lot of keyboard heroes here but none willing to admit the consequences of their desires on our nation.

F*ck China, their students, (who wreck our housing market), and their "investment in Australia"

I am happy to pay more for manufactured goods from anywhere in the world except from China.

They can all get stuffed!

Indeed, dr dre.

China could easily discard Australia. It may choose to do so. Do you have a ‘Plan B’ for that contingency?

All those instructors are digging career graves, if not for themselves for those aspiring to be instructors in the future. China will find a new location to train their pilots. It’s a place called “China”.

As I said before, all those Australian-trained Chinese pilots are taking the know-how back home. It’s like the Australian farmers who are exporting herd cattle to China. One day China will say thanks for the know how (and the cattle), we now have the critical mass to do this ourselves, and goodbye.

There are short-term gains from sucking up to China. A lot of keyboard heroes are not willing to admit the long-term consequences of doing so.

Some of us desire a thriving flying training industry that’s training Australians to meet the demands of what should be a thriving general aviation sector in Australia. Unfortunately for the long-term interests of Australia (and flying instructors), the place is run on the basis of the the laziest way to the quickest bucks (and cheapest flat-screen TVs).

“It’s ironic that you capitalised your most inaccurate overstatement”

An over statement?

No ****, to use your highly evolved writing style.

“Really? So if the Australian government issued a ‘diktat’ to - say - Qantas - to identify and sack all Uyghur employees and all homosexual employees, ya reckon Qantas would comply? Really?”

No, I very much doubt it. Social issues such as LGBT rights and the treatment of ethnic minorities is not really what I had in mind when making my comment about the Chinese Government and their strategic relationship with private industry. I see it as no different to the relationship in Australia. Look no further than private contractors in Manus Island assisting the Government in significant violations of human rights.

“At least I know you’re a real pilot. It’s “bated”.”

At least I know you’re an Australian pilot, focussed on the completely unimportant.

“The English, French and Americans respect, protect and enforce our intellectual property rights”

It would be very naive to think we in the west comply with international IP law. Take a look at vault 7, learn about some of the malware programs designed by the CIA specifically to steal IP.

“…..and law of the sea rights, as does Australia theirs.”

Where do you think Australia stands when it comes to flying illegal combat operations in the Middle East? Do you think we give a **** about other countries sovereignty?

“One of the reasons ‘the West’ has concerns about entering free trade agreements with China is that China does not respect intellectual property laws.”

Read up about the Triffin Dilemma and learn why America has a massive trade deficit with China. It has nothing to do with IP.

“As I said before, all those Australian-trained Chinese pilots are taking the know-how back home”

Isn’t that the point of training?

Any properties sold to Chinese were sold by Australians. Chinese students didn’t push the price of an average 4 bed family home in Sydney and Melbourne to over a million dollars so don’t blame them. Don’t blame foreigners at all because less than 10% of property sales in Australia are made to foreigners (Chinese or others). Blame the Australians who created a system that pushed housing prices to ridiculously unaffordable levels.

I welcome Chinese students. They are better behaved, more law abiding, more respectful, more polite than a lot of Australian students who’ll give you a lesson on being disruptive, lazy, unprepared and spending more time worried about how drunk they can get on weekends than studying. Those Chinese students allow thousands of aviation professionals to put food on the table, pay bills, have a roof over their heads and have a career in Aviation.

I can see now why there’s hate being directed over airwaves at Chinese trainee pilots, an easily influenced population fearmongered to the point they want to irrationally lash out at those they perceive as an enemy. I fear for the safety of those here who are of Asian appearance, whether they are Chinese, Australian or others.

The flood of Chinese students into Australia is over and it it won't restart. Once this current batch of students is finished there will be little to no inflow of new Chinese students. They already have massive flying schools in China turning out 2000 pilots a year per school. The school at Chengdu - Civil Aviation Flying University of China - is an example. I have been there and it is not going away. the current situation will focus China more on domestic training utilising its current assets.

The future (or by some metrics current) world power should be the market we aim to sell our products to the most. Our country is an Asian-Pacific one. Not a European or American one. Via the BRI China will dominate trade through Eurasia and the Pacific. All of Australia’s neighbours and trading partners. There’s evidence now that even traditional Chinese adversaries like Japan are warming their relationships with China. So either we join the Asia Pacific region fully or we become a pointless little outpost in the middle of nowhere.

Maybe a non Chinese trade pact could’ve been made via the TPP but the orange one decided to pull out so any chance of the waning world power having substantial influence in the Asia Pacific died at that point.

So my “Plan B” is to develop and strengthen our links to China and the Asia Pacific over any others. Not have ridiculous scaremongering directed against them by some elements of our government and media.

The Chinese Government has been ramping up its "World Order" for quite some time and seems to be using the current financial crises of other countries to ramp it up even more. This being seen in one instance by its Ambassador to Australia, Chen Jingye's latest effort in his boycott diplomacy in order to shape the minds of politicians and citizens alike. (Boycott diplomacy being that which links political disputes to specific consumer responses).

If the China / Australia relationship tracks way the Chinese Government indicate they want it too, it will be akin to the "battered wife syndrome" because Australia having the "audacity" to have a different mindset to both them and communism.

But as usual the apologist for everything that China does, those commentators who bag their own country because they can, and those that accept anyones piece of silver is good, will sprout that it would be racist not to accept this position, and that any financial benefit for themselves will worth the loss of any self respect.

What next, maybe cargo cult mentality for Australia?

Good luck with ab initio training in Chengdu. I operated into there regularly for years, never were conditions anywhere near VMC. Australia will only be a training destination as long as China needs it, this was always the case.

Does not stop them graduating 2000 pilots a year though. When I was there I visited the control tower and observed numerous "VFR" flights in less than VMC.

I hope you are not suggesting, folks speaking up against bogan racists, makes them in anyways communist Chinese apologists?

The security and economic challenges for Australia moving forward are immense. We can not immediately decouple from China and why should we? However, few above who say chop them off now, seem aware of how China-dependent we are in so many critical areas of our society- this must change. This has been a security concern for a number of years and ignored.

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LOL. We are obviously talking about a different Chengdu, the one I'm talking about has heavy 100-200ton machines coming and going every 90 seconds all day long, no way there are bug smashers operating VFR in IMC conditions at a place like that, not even in China. Graduating 2000 pilots a year as what?, to what standard?, to what acceptable licence?

Gnadenburg

I don’t support racism, bigots or bullies in any way, in any race, so rest assured I am not calling those speaking up against racist bogans apologists for communist China.

So why have they bought up all these country airports and flying schools with a long term view of training students in Australia if they have no intentions to send more??

Let me guess, it’s all a secretive Chinese plot to use these airports as a staging point for a backdoor invasion of the country???

And before anyone says even that suggestion is far too ludicrous for the conspiracy theorists.....:

Still waiting for the proof these are ‘redneck’ and ‘bogan’ racists...

It could be any number of other things.
-Bored School Kids
-someone who’s mentally ill or deranged
-someone trying to garner sympathy for their business that hasn’t been welcomed into the community
​​​​​​-and yes, it could just as likely be certain entities attempting using our society’s well know introspective hypersensitivity to our own ‘racism’ against us
- or yes, it could be moronic ‘bogans’

but no one has provided any proof for or against any of these.

Some seem not to comprehend the current mood of the Australian Federal government - supported by large swathes of the community - and the current mood of the Chinese government. The Australian government is pissing the Chinese government off, knowing that the Australian government is pissing the Chinese government off. And that’s notwithstanding that members of the party in power in Australia (like the opposition) take generous donations from Chinese - what’s the term for them - ‘colourful characters’ and understands full well the economic benefits of a positive relationship with the Chinese government.

If you think that the Australian government is going to allow a return to ‘business as usual’ for foreign investment from Chinese entities and entry of foreign nationals any time soon, and be overwhelmingly supported by the electorate in doing so, I’d urge more research. And it’s always open to the Chinese government to wipe the Australian gum off its shoe.

Nothing to do with tin foil hats and conspiracy theories. Australia’s abject vulnerability as a consequence of matters that should be but are not in its control has been brought into stark(er) relief by C19.

Is this why there is a large, self contained facility at Mildura set up and ready to take refugees from Australia's East Island in an attempt to kick off the NRL season?
Seems some of the, cough, cough, not so local teams may also utilise the facility.
Guessing it was previously home to trainee pilots.

Dr Dre you make very valid and strong, logical points. China IS very important to us, but they are like your beautiful 8 year old son who is going off the rails. You love him, you need him in your life, but he is a very naughty boy and you have to tell him so. You have to provide discipline, education - but most importantly, you have to mold him into a solid corporate citizen, someone who has a valuable contribution to make to society and someone who follows the rules of life. And this is where China fails. They are a very important global player. Their contribution to our economy is massive and imperative. Look at aviation = where would the flying schools of Australia be without these Chinese students?

BUT BUT BUT - does that all mean we just let China do what it wants? What they are doing in the South China Sea with the Spratleys and other islands. To just move in and build bases illegally and basically say to the world "well what are you gunna do about it?" - and they get away with it. They gaoled doctors who were reporting COVID - and then lie about it. And they now threaten Australia because we are pushing for an enquiry. Come on.... really??. They know they screwed up, but they threaten anyone who wants to see what happened, why it happened, and how we can prevent it again. Clearly they have something to hide. These are NOT the actions of a solid world citizen - we must protect our economy, but nothing must stop China from being held to account for terrible behaviour in a world context.

I note in a very early post on here a quote from the ATSB about Mildura - "nothing to see here, there's only been 4 reports in the last year." (those figures are not correct, just can't be bothered going back and finding it). But whatever the number is - very typical of a USELESS organisation. Our company alone has submitted about a dozen reports over the last 6 months alone about the dangerous situation that Mildura has become. Good old ATSB - never let truth get in the way of your incompetence.

So, you are waiting, on a rumour web site, for someone to provide you with proof?

There is more than one airport in that area. To what standard and to what acceptable licence? Well there is the question!

The title of the thread suggests ‘Mildura Rednecks’ aren’t giving people the Aussie ‘fair go’, while denying from the very first post, said ‘Mildura Rednecks’ with said ‘fair go’.

Ironic.

I'm less convinced about the 'education' aspect. Only a couple of Aussie universities rank in the top 20, or even 50, in the world. There are/were over 200,000 Chinese uni students paying good money for an 'education' here. Whether they do so for the education per se, or for the very generous potential for post degree working 'rights', plus the migration potential, is debatable.

If you follow the current 'tertiary education' debate, then you'd have read (Prof.) Peter Van Onselens' section in the last Weekend Australian. He is certainly not a current government supporter - rather, quite a critic. Yet, in his own words..............

But the comparative advantage Australian universities have enjoyed has been built on location, location, and location. That is, the lifestyle benefits of studying here, and experiencing Australia, alongside the potential to migrate Down Under once you are finished.
The backdoor visa system for foreign students at the completion of their studies has been the dirty little secret of the success of Australias' 2nd largest export sector. It is why so many students in our region have chosen Australian universities over universities in other parts of the world. Migrate to a great place to live, and not too far from home.

There you go: quality of education, or a better place to live? It's done via a visa and an airline ticket, rather than USD10,000, and a leaking fishing boat!

The discussion about Chinese aviation studies students pales into insignificance against the numbers involved in the greater tertiary sector, where the real money is being made. A cessation of flying training of Chinese pilots will make barely a ripple on the industry. The possible disappearance of the majority of the Chinese at Australian universities will create a massive black hole in our export income, and this seems to have been overlooked in recent times by our intemperate federal government. Loss of students won't be about 'racism' or the actions of a few ignorants, it will be by CCP policy and directions to the Chinese citizenry.

happy days,

For that analogy to be correct the child would have to be 50 times larger than the parent and about 2000 years older.

Most Australians (and westerners) forget they are dealing with a history, culture and people who go back a lot, lot longer than Australia has been around. The thought our little minnow of a country is going to influence them in any way is hilarious.

Just to put that comparison in context, it would be like a nation the size of the Solomon Islands or the GDP of PNG dictating how Australia should act. Australians would be pissing their pants laughing if either one of them tried, but that’s how Australians are acting here to a country of comparative size.

I did indicate that is a possibility. Not saying it’s likely but I’m the absence of information to the contrary it’s the same as accusing ‘bogans’ outright, or whatever else for that matter.

Aah, Muttley Crew, I can still smell that stench and only those who have experienced it will ever know what we mean.

A couple of 'off' radio calls and a few lasers, get your hands off it!
I have had that in Australia.
I experienced far worse in dealing with some people in Asia and in one particular part of Asia.

Mildura wrecks our 'fair go reputation'- Bul--it!
Westerners are seen as soft and known to buckle the moment the "racist' card is played.
As I was often told in dealings in China and other parts of Asia ; 'you cannot do this or that ( even though you are entitled to ) because, you are not Chinese'.
The university study ploy is an old scam that will come back to bite us on the behind as will foreign investment.


I could say so much more .

Really? I think most Australians are quite aware that China is a big nation and an old culture. It is also a repressive totalitarian state, also a fact known to most Australians (and Westerners). Just because people don't see things your way does not mean that they're stupid.

The fact that we are relatively small does not mean that we can't or shouldn't speak up when we feel the need to do so, particularly when China's actions have a direct effect on us.

Anti-Chinese sentiment has been around since at least the gold rushes. But I don't think that the current concern about the increasing influence of China can be dismissed as racism.

China has been by far the largest foreign investor in Australia for the last several years and is the largest foreign owner of agricultural land. Personally, I'm happy to sell China our products, but not happy that they own so much of our land and resources. I believe that most Australians (and Westerners) believe that under the Xi regime they have not been good global citizens, and their aggressive expansionism is a cause for real concern for those of us in the Pacific.

Come on guys. It's a click bait story. How the fuk can the wanka kids, tell if it's an aussie or chinese student flying the plane. Or even if it was even a student training flight, at a busy country airport.

I would suggest you are making all this up. Only other airports around would be military as is all the airspace. Are you familiar with the terrain around Chengdu,? it's completely unsuitable for training. But please go ahead and tell us all the name of the airport where you visited the tower.