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Lazyload 18th Apr 2020 09:59

Now we see the big picture
 
Let's get the timeline in perspective:

January - Chinese virus takes hold in Wuhan (Many deaths, but a small sacrifice in things to come)
February to April - Virus escapes China to the western world, destroying jobs, companies and the economy in general of pretty much every western country, and by the way, kills over a million people.
April - Entire world's airlines sent to the brink of survival. Flights stopped. Aircraft grounded, pilots, CC and support staff stood down. No international flights for a year? The world grinds to a halt.
April - Virgin AustralIa on the brink of bankruptcy. But it's only the first to fall. We know there will be many others.
Arpril 17 - Three Chinese government-owned airlines emerge as the white knights to take over Virgin Australia, at rock bottom fire sale price. (The endgame comes into focus)

Well, my friends, do you see the picture here, the irony of how this pandemic plays out? Who suffers and who profits? Who started the mess and who will benefit from it? Who will lose and who will win? We understand that Australian Foreign Investment Review Board has expanded its powers to specifically prevent foreign (PC purists, please read "Chinese") take-over of undervalued Australian assets, as a result of COVID. It seems Virgin may slip under the radar. Let's hope that doesn't happen. Next thing, God forbid, we might lease our northern harbours to them. Those same harbours that re-supply military assets, in place to counter a threat from antagonists that we are afraid to name. Madness!

Our problem is that we're too PC. We've evolved. We don't kill live animals in wet markets, we don't eat bats and dogs, we do have a certain moral ethic. Anyway what's your view? This is no time to sit on the fence and hope that the problem just goes away - it won't. I'm afraid to say it's just starting.

The Bullwinkle 18th Apr 2020 10:08


Originally Posted by Lazyload (Post 10754148)
Let's get the timeline in perspective:

January - Chinese virus takes hold in Wuhan (Many deaths, but a small sacrifice in things to come)
February to April - Virus escapes China to the western world, destroying jobs, companies and the economy in general of pretty much every western country, and by the way, kills over a million people.
April - Entire world's airlines sent to the brink of survival. Flights stopped. Aircraft grounded, pilots, CC and support staff stood down. No international flights for a year? The world grinds to a halt.
April - Virgin AustralIa on the brink of bankruptcy. But it's only the first to fall. We know there will be many others.
Arpril 17 - Three Chinese government-owned airlines emerge as the white knights to take over Virgin Australia, at rock bottom fire sale price. (The endgame comes into focus)

Well, my friends, do you see the picture here, the irony of how this pandemic plays out? Who suffers and who profits? Who started the mess and who will benefit from it? Who will lose and who will win? We understand that Australian Foreign Investment Review Board has expanded its powers to specifically prevent foreign (PC purists, please read "Chinese") take-over of undervalued Australian assets, as a result of COVID. It seems Virgin may slip under the radar. Let's hope that doesn't happen. Next thing, God forbid, we might lease our northern harbours to them. Those same harbours that re-supply military assets, in place to counter a threat from antagonists that we are afraid to name. Madness!

Our problem is that we're too PC. We've evolved. We don't kill live animals in wet markets, we don't eat bats and dogs, we do have a certain moral ethic. Anyway what's your view? This is no time to sit on the fence and hope that the problem just goes away - it won't. I'm afraid to say it's just starting.

WOW!!!!!!!

ozbiggles 18th Apr 2020 10:13

So the Chinese unleashed Covid to gain control of VA, wow I didn’t see the brilliance in that plan....

Slezy9 18th Apr 2020 10:17

All so Chinese airlines can take over Virgin at a discount...

Now where did I leave my tin foil hat? :ugh:

DUXNUTZ 18th Apr 2020 10:19

Wonder who they will go after next. Trump may have a stroke of they go after American.

machtuk 18th Apr 2020 10:19

I don't believe the Chinese released the virus BUT they might as will cash in on its effects for free whilst the fish are caught in the barrel!

Thaihawk 18th Apr 2020 10:32


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10754187)
I don't believe the Chinese released the virus BUT they might as will cash in on its effects for free whilst the fish are caught in the barrel!

I think the Chinese didn't release the virus deliberately. There can be little doubt this virus was released in China. By whom is open to debate, as the fact on whether it was deliberate or not.

One thing stands out for sure, and that is something that happened in a communist dictatorship has wrecked the economies of every Western country, and killed some 156,000 and counting as of 10:30 UTC today. That can only be of long-term benefit to that communist country in it's quest for world domination.

Flying Hi 18th Apr 2020 10:33


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10754187)
I don't believe the Chinese released the virus BUT they might as will cash in on its effects for free whilst the fish are caught in the barrel!

"Might"? Wasn't it ever thus? Strip away the varnish of 'evolved society', its only ever about Money in the end.

Double_Clutch 18th Apr 2020 10:40

Hang on....


Isnt the 5G Network causing this #fake_virus?

ozbiggles 18th Apr 2020 10:43

I thought it was the chemtrails we have been dropping for years

Flying Hi 18th Apr 2020 10:43


Originally Posted by Double_Clutch (Post 10754224)
Hang on....


Isnt the 5G Network causing this #fake_virus?

Only according to Icke and his barmy army.

Ollie Onion 18th Apr 2020 11:04

Seems like a convoluted plan when they could of just waited another 12 months for Virgin to go bankrupt of their own accord.

Icarus2001 18th Apr 2020 11:10

The rumour of possible Chinese interest is only that. Have a look who is carrying the story and who is not.

Global Aviator 18th Apr 2020 11:11

Forget about the sentiment of a plan to take V. The OP makes some valid points otherwise.

Yes Australia is way to PC, many have been saying it for years.

Will Covid19 actually wake the world up? Probably, but then it becomes all about money again.

Damned if you do damned if you don’t.

In a perfect world it would be nationals that own national interests, infrastructure and the likes. Hasn’t been this way for years.

So... What is the fix?

Square Bear 18th Apr 2020 11:19

Rather than follow conspiracy, perhaps the maxim.........”you never let a serious crisis go to waste” ....is what inow should be thought by the many who who have the funding to do so.

ozbiggles 18th Apr 2020 11:23

Welcome to the Twilight Zone.....

ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE 18th Apr 2020 11:25

We’re through the looking glass here people

Toruk Macto 18th Apr 2020 11:52

VA was over valued and not worth the Australian government investing in it , now the Chinese government want to invest in it, its undervalued and we can’t let them steal it from under our noses ?

Deltasierra010 18th Apr 2020 12:14

The aussies have been in hock to China for years, most of the national assets have already been bought up its only the small fry like Virgin that are left. The whole problem is that “lifestyle” is everything. They have been paying themselves more than they earned for many many years, other countries, the U.K. in particular are just a vulnerable to paying ourselves too much.
My real sympathy is with developing countries China is taking over whole economies, they don’t care who they deal with, any despotic regime or rebel group, payment in arms, or an offshore bank no problem. Drive through any town in Africa and count the Chinese run businesses displacing the locals, wake up!.

ozbiggles 18th Apr 2020 12:17

Jeez, I thought it was just a plot to delay Top Gun 2

Occy 18th Apr 2020 12:36


Originally Posted by Lazyload (Post 10754148)
January - Chinese virus takes hold in Wuhan (Many deaths, but a small sacrifice in things to come)
February to April - Virus escapes China to the western world, destroying jobs, companies and the economy in general of pretty much every western country, and by the way, kills over a million people.
April - Entire world's airlines sent to the brink of survival. Flights stopped. Aircraft grounded, pilots, CC and support staff stood down. No international flights for a year? The world grinds to a halt.
April - Virgin AustralIa on the brink of bankruptcy. But it's only the first to fall. We know there will be many others.
Arpril 17 - Three Chinese government-owned airlines emerge as the white knights to take over Virgin Australia, at rock bottom fire sale price. (The endgame comes into focus)

Well, my friends, do you see the picture here, the irony of how this pandemic plays out? Who suffers and who profits? Who started the mess and who will benefit from it? Who will lose and who will win? We understand that Australian Foreign Investment Review Board has expanded its powers to specifically prevent foreign (PC purists, please read "Chinese") take-over of undervalued Australian assets, as a result of COVID. It seems Virgin may slip under the radar.

tee hee, let’s release a virus so we can buy a company with $5b Of debt, priceless!

”when you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras”...

blorgwinder 18th Apr 2020 13:20

8 posts and you have it figured. Impressive. What about global warming? Inner workings of the female mind? Why is there air? All critical questions you can apply your theories to

3Greens 18th Apr 2020 13:21


Originally Posted by dboy (Post 10754268)
I would not be surprised that the chinese (the yellow plague i call them) deliberately delayed giving information about covid-19, knowing that this would evolve chaos and this would be regarded as a benefit for them and getting a more grip on countries and companies. ( look at their recent charming offensive in Italy).

Dont forget that chinese kids get taught during their education that the chinese culture is superior over all the rest of this planet. They simply despise every other culture.

I think it is time that the US and Europe should work more together to oppose the yellow plague.

what a disgustingly racist post.

Lambswool 18th Apr 2020 13:43


Originally Posted by Sky Hooker (Post 10754280)
Since the European invasion of Australia in 1788, the Aboriginal people have been oppressed into a world unnatural to their existence for thousands of years....

KARMA is a bit@h.....

Thats a big negative.

J Citizen . Well said!

Now, back to the topic. The OP's comments are certainly valid. We have been experiencing a chinese take over across all parts of the world by stealth for a number of years. Recent events may very well of been constructed or if not, will at least be used to their benefit in the greater long term plan.
Stop thinking VA is their motivating reason and more as an example of what we can expect into the future. Depressions are not always bad news, for those who have money tucked away come out the other end in a pretty good position.


junior.VH-LFA 18th Apr 2020 13:43

You can tell there's a lockdown in progress, this thread reeks of too many glasses of red and no one to vent to, whether it be racist rants or conspiracy theories about free market economics.


Dookie on Drums 18th Apr 2020 13:58


Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA (Post 10754434)
You can tell there's a lockdown in progress, this thread reeks of too many glasses of red and no one to vent to, whether it be racist rants or conspiracy theories about free market economics.

It sure does. People clutching at straws and failing to see reality. Hate messages in inbox. Just incredible.

LapSap 18th Apr 2020 14:18


Originally Posted by 3Greens (Post 10754403)
what a disgustingly racist post.

Don’t think for a moment that they don’t talk about us in the same way.

slats11 18th Apr 2020 14:29

Well you decide if China levelled with the WHO and the rest of the world.

On 31December, China notified WHO about a strange pneumonia - cause unknown.
Further reports until 3 January - causal agent not identified
Then China isolated a Coronavirus on 7 January.



https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....436bf4d219.png

Except for this...

China was isolating coronavirus from patients at least as far back as 26 December.
Given our experience with SARS and MERS, I think the world would have been interested in knowing about another deadly coronavirus.
That 2 week delay was very significant given what happened next.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/sho...2820%2930251-8

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bc2efeb242.png

junior.VH-LFA 18th Apr 2020 14:29


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 10754478)
Don’t think for a moment that they don’t talk about us in the same way.

Two wrongs make a right, eh?

LapSap 18th Apr 2020 14:38


Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA (Post 10754483)
Two wrongs make a right, eh?

Its you that thinks it’s wrong.
I worked with them for over 20 years and would have been called a “Gweilo” (Ghost Man - ie westerner ) either to my face or by them talking to each other about me within earshot at least half a dozen times a day. It would be the equivalent of me calling them “Chinks” here. Did it bother me?? Not once.
Some of us aren’t so thin skinned...


LapSap 18th Apr 2020 14:45


Originally Posted by slats11 (Post 10754482)
Well you decide if China levelled with the WHO and the rest of the world.

On 31December, China notified WHO about a strange pneumonia - cause unknown.
Further reports until 3 January - causal agent not identified
Then China isolated a Coronavirus on 7 January.



https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....436bf4d219.png

Except for this...

China was isolating coronavirus from patients at least as far back as 26 December.
Given our experience with SARS and MERS, I think the world would have been interested in knowing about another deadly coronavirus.
That 2 week delay was very significant given what happened next.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/sho...2820%2930251-8

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bc2efeb242.png

And the fact that, knowing full well what was happening (it was obvious to us in Hong Kong by mid January) they chose not to upset everybody’s Lunar New Year holidays and allowed 5 million to make a run for it before doing anything to stop the spread.
The stupid thing from Australia’s perspective, was to treat visitors from Hong Kong differently to visitors from the Mainland , while HK had not closed their border. What do you think a huge % of the smart ones did??!!
“You dumb gweilos”

srjumbo747 18th Apr 2020 14:46

Conspiracy? Absolutely! How many of their leaders has had the virus?
Also, strange that the Hong Kong riots have stopped.

Dookie on Drums 18th Apr 2020 14:46

Here you are. The words spoken by a man of the world. The leftist swing in Australia revolts me.

VinRouge 18th Apr 2020 14:55


Originally Posted by Dookie on Drums (Post 10754499)
Here you are. The words spoken by a man of the world. The leftist swing in Australia revolts me.

Wasn’t it Sun Tsu who taught Win all without flighting?

Dookie on Drums 18th Apr 2020 14:59


Originally Posted by VinRouge (Post 10754508)
Wasn’t it Sun Tsu who taught Win all without flighting?

I haven't had that dish...Spicy?

slats11 18th Apr 2020 15:07


And the fact that, knowing full well what was happening (it was obvious to us in Hong Kong by mid January) they chose not to upset everybody’s Lunar New Year holidays and allowed 5 million to make a run for it before doing anything to stop the spread.
The stupid thing from Australia’s perspective, was to treat visitors from Hong Kong differently to visitors from the Mainland , while HK had not closed their border. What do you think a huge % of the smart ones did??!!
“You dumb gweilos”
Yes China implemented the most draconian quarantine measures the world has seen in the 700 years since the Black Plague. But only after allowing 5 million to get out of Hubei and ensure the horse had well and truely bolted.

At the same time, China
Complained that other countries were implementing far less draconian measures by banning flights from China, and persuaded the WHO to repeat the same nonsense.
Stripped tons of PPE from the rest of the world
Concealed the true epidemiology of the disease
Delayed approving a visit to China by a WHO field team while the composition of this team was debated

Meanwhile, the WHO
Peddled the same nonsense that countries banning flights to China was not necessary or helpful
Dragged its feet designating COVID a pandemic when it was clear to everyone else that it was.
Refused to take a question about Taiwan in order not to upset China


Meanwhile, Australian universities were paying their Chinese students to have a 2 week holiday in Thailand etc to get around the border restrictions, and urged the government to relax the restrictions

Hoosten 18th Apr 2020 15:18

Some of you need to do some research on just 'who' the Director General of the WHO is. Who he is a puppet of, his politics and why a non-medical practitioner is the DG.


Wooden_Blades 18th Apr 2020 16:01

A cursory google search on "Director General of the WHO" and "puppet" is startling. Thank you for the tip.

Since we're on the subject, google "WHO", "Taleb", and "Bloomberg. Very interesting.

Sorry I can't post links yet.

Asturias56 18th Apr 2020 16:05

These comments coming from a country that has been more than happy to sell it self (literally) ton by ton to China are really too much

Where do you think all the cash comes from in Australia? From the Chinese buying your exports.............. and if you want the economy to recover you'll have to go back and ask them nicely to buy some more.......

ehwatezedoing 18th Apr 2020 16:10


Originally Posted by John Citizen (Post 10754309)
Australia was seen as "terra nullius" (nobody's land) back then. Nobody invaded anything. Unsettled land was colonised

The first fleet was mostly convicts (over 700 convicts, or over 50%) who came to set up a penal colony. There were only about 300 officers onboard (to look after the convicts no doubt, and not to fight a war).

I don't believe they would be dragging with them over 700 convicts and only 300 officers if they were going to invade anyone (fight battles/go to war).

Out of the 11 ships in the first fleet, 6 were convict transports. Since when do you use so many convicts/convict ships to invade ?



It doesn't sound like an invasion to me.

ahaha...Worst, sounds like a virus!
Body is not claimed, let's go for it.


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