I demand to be an Airline Pilot - Tell em they're dreaming
 

All the Millennials and Gen Y aspirants who want to be airline pilots are wasting their time and incurring huge HECS and Vet Fee Help debts should rethink their career goals. One thing that will come out of the pandemic is that probably for the next decade we are unlikely to have a shortage of type rated airline pilots either from within Australia or from overseas sources.
All these young pilot aspirants attending half baked university aviation degrees courses and Vet Fee Help sausage factory flying schools have almost no chance of getting that airline job.
Not that much of the current crop stand much of a chance in any case as their skill level is such that while it might meet the minimum standard for a CPL, MECIR and they can pass the ATPL theory because the CASA exam bank questions are so well covered off by the better ATPL theory schools such that there are virtually no questions you haven't seen before, they will never cut the mustard when the sharp end of a type rating occurs. Even the leprechaun's diversity cadets might have to actually meet the standards one would hope.
Tell em they're dreaming.

While I agree with this for airline flying, let's not forget there is still cargo. Especially those who still dream of flying the 747.

One of the Millennials or Gen Y aspirants will come up with an app for their iThingy that will alert them when a LH seat vacancy becomes available.

I'd like to think so but diversity policies and quotas are a powerful thing and I don't see HR departments allowing them to be stamped out.

In any case, airlines don't care about the good old ability to hand fly an NDB approach. As long as their 'diverse' applicants can fly an ILS on autopilot and accept mediocre remuneration, they are more than happy.

In the past only about 10% of those that completed a CPL ever made it to airlines.That has probably changed of late with the Asian sausage factory’s and formalised training.But now with the current situation (Corona Virus) and a surplus predicted of pilots,it may return to those sort of percentages.GA is not what it used to be in my day, so opportunities to gain experience will be limited.Although there may be more charter flying in the short term until airline flying picks up again.

Is this the part of prune where all the angry boomers yelling at clouds hang out?

Boomers with nothing to do outside of work getting mad at things not relevant to them. All these stand downs seem to hit the older generations harder.

Those who trained at a “real” flying school and got “real experience” in GA have even less hope. When airlines start recruiting again they’ll want candidates whom are a known quantity to them (those whom did academy or cadetship with that airline).

There’s nothing more to that rant than the typical anti-millennial/cadet rant made monthly on Pprune.

Let em come. They are made of the same stuff as you and I and will now be tested, some will relish a real challenge and a certain % of them will strap in, knuckle down, make the sacrifices and find a way through. It’s nothing new.

I disagree. There will be a vaccine in 18 months. Airtravel will come back. The only question as to the speed of the comeback is the depth of the recession / depression.

A lot of pilots will leave the industry over the next 18 months, with fewer people training. The pilot shortage will be more acute in some years.

Been a long time since I’ve hand flown an NDB approach to the minima with the ident on.

IME the guys that relish this type of thing are probably more suited to aeromedical and regional flying than the airline world.

It’s a different job and is more about procedures, planning, remembering stuff, discussing stuff and making good decisions as a team.

Yes, agree in principle. He could have said it in nicer terms, if indeed it needed to be said at all. Having had much to do with training many of the younger generation I do not share his low opinion of them all. There is a percentage of marginally competent older hands in the industry too, who hopefully will now drop out of the game.

However, before airlines get down to hiring their former cadets, the few that survive this will take type-rated, experienced furloughed or redundant employees as first choice, then type rated experienced pilots from other sources next, finally their own cadets.
Airlines simply won't want to invest money in any more training than the bare minimum and they will want to ramp up operations quickly as the market recovers. As always, airline management will take advantage of a pilot surplus to reduce terms and conditions on offer.

How long will it take to get back to pre-covidvirus good times for pilots? If anyone knows the answer, do tell.

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Yes!!!

Given some of the bigger flying schools have received in excess of 100 applications each for instructing jobs by former (or stood down) airline pilots, maybe it’s not a bad thing if these flying schools remain open...and busy.

I often take a peek at the AFAP's pilot job late on a Friday, before all the hysteria there was around 7+ pages of jobs, a lot of instructor jobs etc, now there's 3 pages, a few instructor jobs, a few RFDS adds and the odd GA Level Chtr job, that's about it! Co's will all be inundated with CV's now!
Aviation has always been a fragile and at times Unknown business (especially the flying side of it) in recent years, it's a whole new ball game now though! Will make '89 look like a kindergarten spat!

When I was in my teens I wanted nothing more than to be an airline pilot. Having been there done that a reasonably early age and now being in a job that fortunately is looking after me through such tough times the thought of going back to mundane airline flying makes me sick. Let all these kids go through the motions and figure it out for themselves.

[/QUOTE]It’s a different job and is more about procedures, planning, remembering stuff, discussing stuff and making good decisions as a team.
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and asking " what's a sextant " ?

( but I suppose the digital generation could also tell me why my "quote" function comes out like the above, instead of in a blue background, as it used to ?

vee1-rotate and Ladloy

You are missing the point.
Boomers are the LEAST likely to be hurt by this event. Some of us went there a similar event 30 years ago and know only too well how this going to hurt.
What I think chance was trying to say ,in a rather insensitive way ,is that those who have recently invested in a career in aviation have probably done their money.
And that’s very sad.
Nobody in their right mind should derive any pleasure from that.

The industry makes you feel so sick that you spend your days posting on an online pilot forum...

Yeah right , spectrum.
I’ve known a few people who have walked away from an airline career.
But it wasn’t voluntary.