Agree, in todays modern cockpit its all about human factors, basic airmanship and piloting skills. Some people here seem to want to go back to the days of using WAC charts and plotters!

Does the OP realise that 'those damned millenials' are approaching 40 now with family, kids and a mortgage?

Stuck in the RHS waiting for more investment advice from the entitled snowflake in the left that won't listen to anyone but himself reflecting that 3 mill in super ain't enough

Why don't you do what I did...

Like this bloke do you mean:

He has never been an airline pilot but seems to know an awful lot about it.

So the OLDEST are approaching 39 and the youngest 24 years old.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....75d510f62.jpeg

Issue is now with the decimation in the share market they won't be retiring soon. After the GFC average retirement for pilots went up by 4 years. This is worse.
But we also have a situation where younger pilots, who's career progression will be delayed, may feel resentment for what has happened. Them taking a hit to their careers to keep an older generation alive, but not seeing anything in return. And not just in aviation, the worst hit industries in this crisis (retail, hospitality) are dominated by younger and casual workers. I predict it will be a big source of friction all over society.

Awwww, poor lookleft, did I say something on JB about religion that upset you?

Super Cecil,
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I have worked as Garbage collector, worked in an abottoir (5 years) GA for 5 years and in Airlines.
The Abottoir was actually a pretty fun job if your not a snowflake and don’t mind a bucketload of blood....but it is an abottoir after all.
Just saying I actually enjoyed the abottoir....better enjoying a bucketload of blood than wishing you should have applied a bucketload of kero to avoid you undershooting the runway in a jet.....

Nah mate you proved yourself to be a wannabe long before JB. I’m not easily upset or worried by light weights.

After 30 years in the industry myself working on the ground for a major airline then for an airport operator being married to an ex hostie who was later an airline res centre manager I have had a lot of time in the industry. As well as my son who worked for a ground handling agent & my brother-in-law flew as a flight attendant for 37 years, I feel I am qualified to comment on the immediate future of the industry. Unfortunately with the way business has carried on with electronic conferencing country & even worldwide I think a lot of businesses will decide to conduct future meetings remotely which will result in a lot less business class & even economy class flying & a lot less hotel expenses. If this is correct ( & I hope I am wrong ) the industry will take a long time to recover with a lot of casualties in regard to carriers & as a result their staff be that air or ground crew & subsequent general airport staff will be affected in a huge way.

And despite all the nice shiny things and displays, someone will find themselves with blank screens and little help finding a runway.

And energy management? It is also not uncommon to witness those incapable of pulling the thrust levers to idle in the upper 30's and only adding it when stabilized on final approach. Traffic permitting of course.

One might find themselves someday flying a Boeing or Airbus operating like a J3 Cub. It's best to know how to do that when it suddenly arises and no time to review the QRH or the casual banter of CRM which works wonderful most of the time.

All of this was said after the GFC. Companies made statements about cutting travel budgets and being "leaner". Contrary to this when the economy started to recover business travel recovered too. What we have now is different but I hope that when we get a treatment/vaccine, and people get back to work then travel should start to recover too.

Then you said
First you reprimand me for advising something different to airline flying then say you would caution people against an airline career, which is it?

Both statements are true , Super Cecil.
I have had the good fortune of experiencing the best years of the aviation industry.
But everybody in the industry knows that over the last 20 years there has been a relentless chase to the bottom at every level.
Flight Attendants, baggage handlers, front of counter staff and low cost carrier Pilots have all had their terms and conditions smashed.
The travelling public has become addicted to cheap airfares and don’t think for a second how that has been possible.
Now big fat chickens are coming home to roost.
Many positions like Flight Attendants , baggage handlers were casualized. Now there are all screwed.
Low cost operators work on wafer thin margins and small if any cash reserves. Zero resilience. Now they are screwed.
And yet some posters still bitch and moan at the shocking cost of airfares on carriers that price their services properly.
The industry as a whole will come out of this back to where it was at the end of the GFS. Zero net profit since WW2.
This shake up was always going to happen. Now it has and many people will suffer.
Thirty years ago I would have recommended an aviation career in a heart beat.
Now , young people ,go and do something else.

I have friends in business and they are complaining that their ‘zoom’ meetings just don’t cut it. You don’t pick up on the subtleties of communication, ie poker face, which is what business is all about really. They have said they will go back to face to face meetings, which includes interstate and international travel as a soon as possible. Hopefully for our sake, their opinion is the majority.

Yep I agree the change in business air travel will probably be minor decrease or unoticeable. Zoom or other meeting apps are only no if other choice, but they wont replace face to face meetings / training

Physical face-to-face is likely to remain an essential business tool

Many (25?) years ago I was involved in looking at the cost-effectiveness of meetings / decision-making using video vs audio vs face-to-face vs email, and combinations of these.

Face-to-face was highest value / highest-cost.

Video was better than audio was better than email etc.

Optimum value for money was a combination of F2F & video. F2F even added value to subsequent video sessions.

The cost of technology will have reduced, but the high-value of the personal contact via F2F is probably still an essential business tool

Don’t worry if anything is for sure, it’s that the race to the bottom will be even faster and the crew/handlers etc will be even more screwed. LCC will probably be the only way as companies and people have run out of money if you haven’t noticed

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yet again, its not just the new men dreaming of being an Airline Pilot, but also many actual Airline Pilots.

Which is a shame.

George -

"Thirty years ago I would have recommended an aviation career in a heart beat.
Now , young people ,go and do something else."

Funnily enough George, thirty years ago I got the same advice, from an ex air force Cathay pilot.

Boom and bust. Those that have been around a while might remember a time when most domestic airline pilots were unemployed, when things started moving again there were many pilots and only a few jobs. Those that went back to work first were on half the money they were before, the rest had to follow if they wanted a job. Some refused and flew the rest of their careers overseas.
With the governments current industrial relations mentality can anybody see airlines offering jobs back to pilots at the same pay?

The first thing ScoMo will do is decimate IR laws that’s a given, he maybe the golden child atm, but he is still a IR Slasher at heart. I hate him with a vengeance. And that hate is real....

Cec, I'm thinking that when the boys went back in 89 they actually went back on more money, efficiency gains as well?

AoA, when a waiter can be paid more on a Saturday or Sunday than a health care worker, I'm thinking the IR laws should be torn up and a new start eh?