50 Qantas staff Infected.
 

Would these people be on sick leave or workcare benefits?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...virus/12121522

Is the assumption from this article, that these staff are from ADL? Or are these 50 infections from an assortment of hubs?

Is this the same Qantas that stood down a cleaner for warning people about the virus?

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-...20?pfmredir=sm

Yup, SOPS, and the list of errors continues.
Once so smuggly adamant, now accountable for their arrogance.

Some baggage from ADL, pilots from across the east coast and cabin crew from MEL and SYD.
Pilots and cabin crew now stood down without pay with the rest of the international ops and refused access to their sick leave during their recovery. Company has quite literally “left them for dead”. Cabin crew who worked alongside these infected crew members recently have received only an email heads up.
And the airline is about to ask these people to put their hand up to help bring Aussies home.

Perhaps the risk assessment that exempted aircrew from the mandatory isolation protocols should be reviewed.

Nope, not all ADL. Can think of at least two cases among the Pilot ranks which were picked up overseas.

I'm confused, the vet Quantas employee kept telling me my risk is minimal and carry on. These tests must be wrong.

Daughter was never told that her LAX-SYD flight was on ‘a list’ such as:
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...s-flights.aspx

Isn’t the CEO the person ultimately responsible when it comes to occ, health & safety?

Probably deemed to be a 'casual contact' instead of a 'close contact' just like how you are tired, not fatigued. Same same but different.

I heard that the Police unions have informed the government that any infections will be workers comp and not sick leave.

You may be unaware that the exemption given to aircrew by the Federal Government comes with many restrictions that significantly reduce the chances of crew acquiring the virus whilst away. If crew do not comply with those restrictions/procedures, then they are required to be isolated upon their return.

My experience was that I had to inform my managers ( major Aus Airline) as new requirements came out regarding crew exemptions and they were implemented late and poorly. The many restrictions you speak of were not communicated to crew through email, text, in tam, or face to face without significant lag and prompting. As for the last sentence......nobody checked, nobody communicated the requirement. It was poorly managed at my Airline. Zero leadership displayed until about 24th March.

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...ovid-19-cases/

Brown said, “They are wearing masks when flying and being careful....".

Pants on fire, matey. We are advised not to wear masks on duty...still!

73-91- that, right 'there' IS a ripper question- on so many levels!!!!

Trust all goes well.
Rgds
S28- BE

I hear the Santiago crew from a week or so ago have now tested positive for COVID-19?

I’d suggest there will be far more infections, there was just lip service regarding crew protection when this thing started, they
know of course! Until they don’t.

Should be a class action. This problem was so big for them they had to ignore it and threw us all out there like guinea pigs.

only 50 staff ----- you should work for the middle east mob- 50 staff - luxury

Hard to believe that this wasn’t contracted at work and therefore an OH&S issue.

I hope Qantas grant special paid leave in light of these circumstances and cover medical costs.

And will this family disaster be paid for by Qantas?


https://www.smh.com.au/national/chil...MdxMIoNbUOhn2s

Qantas "management" are denying that any of these cases are as a result of contracting the virus whilst working onboard and are denying sick leave/support of any kind.

At the end of the day no one has any idea of what’s going on!
I remember some one at QF saying the risk outside of Whuhan is low???
It was always going to be a matter of time before crew got it.
To pretend otherwise is being ignorant.
Or just peddling a certain line!

Qantas "management" are now looking at training New Zealand based cabin crew on the 787 because they can't get enough Australian based crew to volunteer for the rescue fights.

No bailout if they are not using or recruiting Australian staff.

Thanks yet again for your wise and useless comments Sunfish.

The reason they can't get enough staff is because the cabin crew unions have told them not to accept any flights due to the risks of contracting the disease.

As a result, they have gone to the external crewing company, Jetconnect. They are currently doing 787 conversion courses.

Normanton, exactly. Qantas is not an Australian company at all and should not be bailed out by the Australian taxpayer. It only plays the Australia card when it wants something. The rest of the time it is a stateless international business.

You know who Qantas admires? Carnival Cruise lines. They screw their captive customers for every dollar. Their staff are paid about $1.60 an hour. The crew who don’t front the customers are poor third world peasants dressed in rags (i’ve seen them on the first and last cruise I took). Those that need English are recruited from Eastern Europe. The officers are cardboard cutouts who look the part - norwegians with viking beards, Britain’s who look and talk like Sean Connery,, etc, etc.. All employees except officers, are recruited from disperate groups deliberately so they can never trust each other enough to consider unionizing. They are all on ten voyage rolling un synchronized contracts which gives ten percent staff turnover each voyage with no certainty of re-engagement. That is your future. Carnival pays SFA American taxes and you know what? It wants a bailout too - just like Qantas!

https://story.californiasunday.com/below-deck


https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/23/2...-companies-tax

mate you need to stop getting on the bottle and ranting here... it’s like 9am

Do Qantas still self insure for workcover?

I daresay Maurice Blackburn are already on the case.

You're cooked mate. Go for a walk.

Another unhinged and uneducated rant. A perfect example of https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...23855220000056

Once had a job in an airline ... must be an expert on airlines. Has a PPL...is an expert on flying. What a joke of a person!

If Qantas’ “smartest guys in the room” had their way I believe Qantas would quickly become a Stateless International business using flag of convenience contracts , as proposed by Sunfish .
Not too far removed from what the pilots were threatened with on their last EBA as an example of Qantas managements mindset ?
I actually think that what Sunfish has espoused probably isn’t too far from the truth if Joyce could get away with it !
Despite what the Qantas shills decree !
Watch this space when Qantas emerges circa 1/2 the size it was , pre Covid precipitated apocalypse , and how hard remaining staff/unions will be squeezed if they want continuing employment !

I see it going the other way.

Agreements have been signed at least with the pilots.

the post covid world will be a point to point world avoiding, well, Asia.

I see QF bringing forward the 350s which will be available quickly, standing up 330 guys straight to it and training the 380 guys over.

The QF Longhaul network will be LHR ex per. JFK ex syd. Lax ex syd with a handful of 80s with Mel and Bne hubbing via SYD.

The maggot will be very busy domestically.

Im not so sure how JQ will pan out, but I see those 787s coming across to QF ASAP and the older 330s parked up.

I suspect the LCC model of leased fleets will be over. In the shorter term.

yes they self insure.

https://www.sira.nsw.gov.au/insuranc.../self-insurers

seems a pretty straight forward case. Community spread cases are few and far between. Most of our cases are imported. So it would seem that for 50 Qantas employees to be infected, they must have on balance caught it either from an infected passenger on board an aircraft or while they were staying in a high risk country. That would include the USA.

either way , they caught it due to their work. And therefore it is a work related illness and would fall under worker’s compensation. To my non legal mind anyway. Although workers compensation is usually for permanent injuries not a temporary virus. So sick leave is probably more relevant . Having said that, there is evidence that many people with WuHu bat stew flu have permanent damage to lungs, heart and kidneys. And of course some die. So if that is the case workers compensation may come in to play. And there is always the class action route to sue for civil damages.

not looking good for Joyce. A complete pr disaster and an utterly disgraceful way to treat his employees.

Police have already dictated to Government that any cases of Coronavirus are a work cover matter, not sick leave. I’m led to believe 300+ are in quarantine ATM.

with respect to you and the police, I am not sure if the police are the arbiters of work cover cases. That is to say they most certainly are not. And they sure as hell don’t get to dictate to government anything.

from Comcare site

https://www.comcare.gov.au/safe-heal.../coronavirusWe have prepared answers to some frequently asked questions about claims and COVID-19.

Am I covered for workers’ compensation if I contract COVID-19?

A virus, like COVID-19, would be considered under the disease provisions of the Safety, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 1988 (SRC Act). For a disease to be covered it must be contributed to, to a significant degree, by the employee’s employment (section 5B).

For coverage to exist, a determining authority (the claim decision maker) would need to be satisfied that employment significantly contributed to the employee contracting the virus. For viruses, it can be difficult to accurately determine the exact time and place of contraction. It can therefore be difficult to determine that employment was a significant contributing factor.

However, where an employee’s employment puts them at greater risk of contracting the virus the significant contribution test may be easier to meet. For example, if the employment involves:

• travel to an area with a known viral outbreak
• activities that include engagement or interaction with people who have contracted the virus
• activities that contravene Department of Health recommendations.

Each claim would need to be considered on its individual merits, having regard to the individual circumstances and evidence in relation to the claim.

That is comcare, not workcover.

‘’Anyway:’

• travel to an area with a known viral outbreak
• activities that include engagement or interaction with people who have contracted the virus
• activities that contravene Department of Health recommendations.

pretty much covers everything police do.

Workers compensation is for any work related injury or illness - it doesn't have to be permanent.

absolutely nothing to do with the police.

correct. I was trying to make the point that usually a flu type Illness would not be grounds for a worker’s compensation claim. Over 80% of WuHu bat stew flu are mild, more so in younger people. If you only need to take a few days off work as in a normal flu or cold, that would normally be taken as sick leave.

however with WuHu, there is a mandatory 14 day isolation required plus you then need to be re tested to ensure you are clear. If it was a more severe case then there may also be medical bills. So there could be grounds for a claim, you would need to fill out one of these with your doctor.
There are income support payments whilst you are unfit for work and also reimbursement for medical costs.
https://www.sira.nsw.gov.au/for-serv...s_compensation