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f1yhigh 6th Nov 2019 23:51
Speculation at QF
 
Rumour has it that QF 737s will get replaced by the older JQ Airbuses as JQ get the new aircraft on order. What's more curious is that some seem to believe that Network will slowly take over domestic mainline. If there is any truth to this, how much life is remaining in the JQ Airbuses? Are they a good replacement for the 737s?

dr dre 7th Nov 2019 00:08
Originally Posted by f1yhigh (Post 10612704)
Rumour has it that QF 737s will get replaced by the older JQ Airbuses as JQ get the new aircraft on order. What's more curious is that some seem to believe that Network will slowly take over domestic mainline. If there is any truth to this, how much life is remaining in the JQ Airbuses? Are they a good replacement for the 737s?
Zero truth to that rumour that has floating around for a while and has been debunked before.

Network can barely crew and keep a handful of geriatric F100’s and JQ’s hand me down 320s in the sky let alone replace an entire domestic airline.

We might as well spread a rumour that Airlines of Tasmania will be receiving 99+ A321XLRs to be operated on a below award wage contract...

beached az 7th Nov 2019 00:33
Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10612719)
We might as well spread a rumour that Airlines of Tasmania will be receiving 99+ A321XLRs to be operated on a below award wage contract...
Actually that part is true :) :) :)

600ft-lb 7th Nov 2019 00:36
No this is the actual fact.

Jetstar will be getting the a380's and they are pulling out the recent reconfig and making the whole thing economy so they can ship out 700 bogans to bali at a time, the 787 just isn't cutting it.

777Nine 7th Nov 2019 03:22
Originally Posted by 600ft-lb (Post 10612745)
No this is the actual fact.

Jetstar will be getting the a380's and they are pulling out the recent reconfig and making the whole thing economy so they can ship out 700 bogans to bali at a time, the 787 just isn't cutting it.
That actually made me LOL.

Blueskymine 7th Nov 2019 04:31
Well I wouldn’t be surprised if QF did take the older ones to get a beachhead going until the new ones start arriving.

If QF didn’t get 320s, they’d be getting some Max’s very very cheap. Which would be very short sighted, as the 321 xlr would be a fantastic addition to the fleet.

The hopes may be pinned on the 797, but that really could just turn out to be a 767 max.

unobtanium 7th Nov 2019 05:44
Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10612719)


Zero truth to that rumour that has floating around for a while and has been debunked before.

Network can barely crew and keep a handful of geriatric F100’s and JQ’s hand me down 320s in the sky let alone replace an entire domestic airline.

We might as well spread a rumour that Airlines of Tasmania will be receiving 99+ A321XLRs to be operated on a below award wage contract...
Why not? Offer enough $ and people will sign up, and entire airline can be created quickly, from pilots to engineers, all wearing the Qantas ID with their various contracting company at the bottom.

Still cheaper and more productive than an ageing legacy workforce. Everything is in QF colors so the flying public will not notice. This has been proven time and again, Qantas Link, Network, Cobham, people still think they're flying Qantas.

Oriana 7th Nov 2019 05:56
Boeing will make Qantas 'an offer they can't refuse' and basically sell them 737 MAX for fire sale prices.

No need to retrain a whole fleet.

Bootstrap1 7th Nov 2019 06:00
Does anyone have any gossip about the 1200 middle management jobs to as per Nine news, yet the the company has debunked that number with nothing to back it up.

1200 managers is a good start. Anyone in an operational area knows that the place runs like clockwork over Xmas when middle management is away so why stop at 1200?

But seriously does anyone have anything to add to the news that is not news.

AerialPerspective 7th Nov 2019 06:39
Originally Posted by Blueskymine (Post 10612815)
Well I wouldn’t be surprised if QF did take the older ones to get a beachhead going until the new ones start arriving.

If QF didn’t get 320s, they’d be getting some Max’s very very cheap. Which would be very short sighted, as the 321 xlr would be a fantastic addition to the fleet.

The hopes may be pinned on the 797, but that really could just turn out to be a 767 max.
I'm a big Boeing supporter but I've always thought that the A320 being used in large numbers at JQ (not far off the number of 737-838s operated by QF), that it would make sense for QF to buy the A320neo and A321neo XLR, if only from a Group commonality point of view. I still prefer the Boeing but the prospect of A320s with ULDs is a much better proposition than bulk compartment on the 737 with magic carpet.

Australopithecus 7th Nov 2019 07:21
Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 10612843)
Why not? Offer enough $ and people will sign up, and entire airline can be created quickly, from pilots to engineers, all wearing the Qantas ID with their various contracting company at the bottom.
Offer me 8% more on the same terms and I would even sign up. Oh wait.

Australopithecus 7th Nov 2019 07:30
Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 10612888)
I'm a big Boeing supporter but I've always thought that the A320 being used in large numbers at JQ (not far off the number of 737-838s operated by QF), that it would make sense for QF to buy the A320neo and A321neo XLR, if only from a Group commonality point of view. I still prefer the Boeing but the prospect of A320s with ULDs is a much better proposition than bulk compartment on the 737 with magic carpet.
The other only problem with that is the Boeing offer is the snakebitten Max. Who really wants to operate a 1965 piece of crap in 2045? Not a huuuuge fan of the Airbus, but it beats the 737 by any metric except training costs. Which would likely be offset by ground handling savings in 8-10 years. Not many pilots are giddy with excitement to go from a 320 to a 737.

The A321 NEO has no Boeing equivalent anymore (757). The current thinking on the NMA aircraft is a revamped 767-400, despite the lack of a suitable engine. Boeing bet the company with the 787, lost the bet, and were then unable to make a new narrowbody. It looks like the resulting 737 Max debacle will in turn render them unable to make any wholly new type for a very long time, if ever.

gordonfvckingramsay 7th Nov 2019 08:39
Rumour has it that QF 737s will get replaced by the older JQ Airbuses as JQ get the new aircraft on order. What's more curious is that some seem to believe that Network will slowly take over domestic mainline. If there is any truth to this, how much life is remaining in the JQ Airbuses? Are they a good replacement for the 737s?
You’d be forgiven for thinking it’s EBA time.

unobtanium 7th Nov 2019 10:53
Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10612916)


Offer me 8% more on the same terms and I would even sign up. Oh wait.
Havn't been contracting much have you?

vee1-rotate 7th Nov 2019 15:12
Originally Posted by 600ft-lb (Post 10612745)
No this is the actual fact.

Jetstar will be getting the a380's and they are pulling out the recent reconfig and making the whole thing economy so they can ship out 700 bogans to bali at a time, the 787 just isn't cutting it.
Can the bogan A380 flight's just be one way though?

Australopithecus 7th Nov 2019 15:26
Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 10613054)
Havn't been contracting much have you?
Not for a few decades. It was an EBA joke.

AerialPerspective 7th Nov 2019 15:35
Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10612923)


The other only problem with that is the Boeing offer is the snakebitten Max. Who really wants to operate a 1965 piece of crap in 2045? Not a huuuuge fan of the Airbus, but it beats the 737 by any metric except training costs. Which would likely be offset by ground handling savings in 8-10 years. Not many pilots are giddy with excitement to go from a 320 to a 737.

The A321 NEO has no Boeing equivalent anymore (757). The current thinking on the NMA aircraft is a revamped 767-400, despite the lack of a suitable engine. Boeing bet the company with the 787, lost the bet, and were then unable to make a new narrowbody. It looks like the resulting 737 Max debacle will in turn render them unable to make any wholly new type for a very long time, if ever.
Sorry, the "only problem with that is the snakebitten Max"... I thought I was saying go for the A320 or A321 or a mix. i.e. I believe I was agreeing with you...

packapoo 7th Nov 2019 20:00
Originally Posted by vee1-rotate (Post 10613239)
Can the bogan A380 flight's just be one way though?
Well if you stuff their bags full of what that bogan chick took with her, it could probably turn out that way.

Australopithecus 7th Nov 2019 23:00
Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 10613254)
Sorry, the "only problem with that is the snakebitten Max"... I thought I was saying go for the A320 or A321 or a mix. i.e. I believe I was agreeing with you...
I see now that you were. Allow me to then be on record as agreeing with you.

Buster Hyman 8th Nov 2019 00:57
Originally Posted by Oriana (Post 10612850)
No need to retrain a whole fleet.
It's worked well so far...:oh:


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