www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2019/aair/ao-2019-055/

They picked up on the error that’s the main thing, they didn’t roll or depart. One would hope this would be fairly obvious considering how little length was in front of them, could have been a different outcome late night. Countless cases of this occurring in other countries in which most don’t really pick up on the error until the tail is for some reason wiping out the runway lights past the end.


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What was the vis like that night? Looks like they’ve simply followed the first taxi line they saw?.

That is one hell of a confusing intersection.

I’ve never taken off from Golf in a jet, but I’ve vacated there after landing on 17 plenty of times.

I’d put it down as an accident waiting to happen.

I did my ab initio training at YSCB. I never found the layout of the airport in the least bit confusing.

YMMB, on the other hand, is chaotic and, in my view, a catastrophe waiting to happen.

The weather was fine. I was cleared to line up and wait at intersection N 35 as the ATR behind me was cleared for take off from G. I couldn’t see if he had started to roll, but heard the Tower controller telling him to “STOP STOP STOP”.

Well the intersection was flagged as a hotspot, so you may have been missing something!

Actually I don't know that it was back in those days, and I had never heard of AIP, ERSA, DAP, etc at that stage of my training.

Well, given your familiarity with the airport, I guess it wouldn’t be!

Not every pilot using the airport will have your familiarity.

Line marking for bays is also terrible.

^^^^This x 1000. Crew made a small cock up and fixed it before it became a problem.

I’m interested in the ‘stop stop stops’ statement. How far into the takeoff did they get? This recent incident is mega alarming to me and should not be played down. I could write 3 pages on why I believe this but I don’t have the time right now. In a nutshell there is clear policy and procedures to prevent this at VA. I would be looking closely at Standards and Training!

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its a massive deal! They didn’t recognise they were on the wrong runway. Loss of situational awareness by the crew.
ATC stoped them, was the Stop Stop Stop issued before or after take off clearance?

I would be looking at why the hell you would want to be taking off from Golf at night in an ATR. Just because it is possible, doesnt mean its a good idea...... and Im not talking about the line markings being the issue.

kcboy is correct, there are ‘question marks’ all over this and the final report ‘may’ shed some light. The reason for the 140 degree lineup will be interesting.

Airmanship gone wrong, Human Factors.......Tic Toc

Please elaborate. Is this another one of those “runway behind you is no good” things that is really only applicable to flying a 152 and not an ATR or any transport category aircraft for that matter?

if you listen to the ATC recording there is no communication from the ATR to ATC advising them they were on the incorrect runway. In this instance Canberra tower were all over it and recognized what the crew should of.

I do have sympathy for the crew here.

This is is what I think could of happened - very short taxi from the VA terminal, so the F/O could of been distracted doing the line up checks as they were taxiing on to the runway and not properly monitoring the turn. Captain followed the first lead in lines he saw (30). They could of been running the checklist as the captain or F/O realised the error, been in the middle of a quick confused discussion about it and Canberra tower are already all over it, telling them ‘stop stop stop’ (great job tower). Incident occurred at 7PM so crew could of come off a long day. Having asked around, there was no application of take off power.

I’m not downplaying the negative outcome that could of occurred from this, but I’m giving some sympathy to the crew. I’ve made many mistakes whilst flying all of which could of had questionable outcomes had they not been picked up by the person next to me or even myself, we’re just human. I’ve even heard of captains turning the wrong way on to a runway at uncontrolled airports realising instantly their blunder taxi to the end, backtrack for the correct runway, file a report and hear nothing about it! Unfortunately in this case they ostensibly made the same mistake realised the error, never were going to take off but had ATC screaming ‘STOP STOP STOP’ which sounds very frightening over a frequency and picks up traction with media.

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