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additional 787 for 747 capacity replacement on J/BURG etc, as possibly A330 replacement. I doubt the 787 is a viable A330 replacement unless the company can get the pilots to kill night credits, or come up with an alternative LH vs MH pay rate or something along those lines. Either they’ve realised the 787 contract is too expensive to fly MH or they knew it a few years ago and bull****ted about the planned flying to get the pilots to sign on. Either way, reality has struck them and now they want the job done for less if the 787 is to start flying to Asia as a 330 replacement. |
Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 10586893)
787 won’t be going to Johannesburg, unless it’s coming back via Perth. It simply can’t uplift the payload out of Johannesburg. I doubt the 787 is a viable A330 replacement unless the company can get the pilots to kill night credits, or come up with an alternative LH vs MH pay rate or something along those lines. Either they’ve realised the 787 contract is too expensive to fly MH or they knew it a few years ago and bull****ted about the planned flying to get the pilots to sign on. Either way, reality has struck them and now they want the job done for less if the 787 is to start flying to Asia as a 330 replacement. What replaces the 74 on Jburg? A330 ex Perth? A380 as an interim? Redeploy the A380 currently on Dallas to Jburg and replace that with a 787? |
Word is the 330 (or another large twin) out of Perth is back on the table. Supposedly there are issues around 380 fire suppression times which prevent it going direct. 747 continues to operate under a grandfathered exemption. Nothing to to do with ‘Sunrise’ but it all feeds in to the broader discussion around night credits etc. Not sure what a S/O B scale would look like. I thought the 787 contract was B scale enough for S/Os. |
B scale SO is the 787 rate with no overtime for all new hires regardless of the aircraft they are recruited onto including the 330 and 380. |
Night credits for duties with 3 or 4 crew are a joke. Get with the times. You’re asleep for a decent chunk of the flight and still getting paid the whole time.
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Bug smasher giving another IR masterclass. Night credits are very much ‘with the times’ when they have been ratified by FW just a few years ago. Something to trade? Maybe. Something to give up? Only when you don’t have them in your award I guess. |
Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher
(Post 10587009)
Night credits for duties with 3 or 4 crew are a joke. Get with the times. You’re asleep for a decent chunk of the flight and still getting paid the whole time.
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Taking the step back and observing the rantings of Little Napoleon in the Murdoch rag is interesting.
Ever keen to deflect the blame one problem keeps presenting: Qantas need a new fleet. Whether it is issues of legacy on the 747 and fire suppression, the aging A330 fleet, which as many are aware will be increasing maintenance intensive, the horrible operating economics of the the A380 or indeed the 787; insufficient in number and perhaps dimension to do what they really need it to do, Qantas need strategic thinking. Little Napoleon has had over a decade to provide strategy, provide a vision and drive the business in that direction. That he prefers self enrichment, social discourse, virtue signalling and internal wars with the staff does not absolve the business of the need for fleet. A taxi operator can sweat the fleet, not maintain them and bank the profits (or in this case buy back shares) but ultimately the capital needs replacing. Every day delayed, every month postponed the problem grows. Perhaps they have actually purchased an aircraft and given the success last time with the 787 tried it again... |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10586874)
If it actually plays out like that then it will probably be the biggest hospital pass in Australian Corporate history. The next CEO is going to wear a lifetime of Capex and rebuilding with basically all the assets sold off. Ponder a 747 and A380 replacement Ponder an A330 replacement Ponder a 737 replacement. AUD $10 to $20 billion? It is a big ask. From a governance perspective one might ponder what Goyder is doing other than selecting wines for First Class? |
Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
(Post 10586893)
787 won’t be going to Johannesburg, unless it’s coming back via Perth. It simply can’t uplift the payload out of Johannesburg. |
I think the Qantas pilots who flew the Catalinas and later Liberators on 16-24 hour flights with no nav other than the stars and a navigator would turn in their graves if they read some of the drivel here...
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
(Post 10587129)
I think the Qantas pilots who flew the Catalinas and later Liberators on 16-24 hour flights with no nav other than the stars and a navigator would turn in their graves if they read some of the drivel here...
They didn’t do it as a career long term. |
I don't expect that the only sectors you'll do are theses ultra-long range flights with comfy rest areas and great meals and time off in a 4-5 star hotel. The 'greatest generation' didn't expect to be pampered..
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
(Post 10587158)
I don't expect that the only sectors you'll do are theses ultra-long range flights with comfy rest areas and great meals and time off in a 4-5 star hotel. The 'greatest generation' didn't expect to be pampered..
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They also retired at 45.
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Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher
(Post 10587498)
They also retired at 45.
Retiring at 45 was no great achievement. |
Why not push for that in the negotiations then? Only fly ULH? As I’ve said before back in the SQ 340 days that’s all they did. 44/46 hour block return. What was it someone said you have 6 week blocks? Fly 3 times per block or what 5 day patterns approx, 15 days out of 40? :) :) :) Then you’ll be on here, we don’t get to land enough..... |
And had to start another career or business to put bread on the table. Retiring at 45 was no great achievement. To compare what is being proposed to Lancaster’s etc is so laughable it doesn’t warrant a response other than to say you idiot. The Qantas Ángels are really going to struggle to make the pilots look bad on this one. Particularly when it is being pushed by a bloke who has taken in excess of $90 million during his time in Qantas. The tide is turning against the greedy and privileged. The average joe is at the stage of opening the window and shouting “I’m mad as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore”. |
The average joe The Qantas Ángels are really going to struggle to make the pilots look bad on this one |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10587578)
Doesn't give a sh*t. He thinks Pilot's are over paid. He thinks Joyce is over paid (if he even knows that). But he doesn't care. He just wants affordable airfares to where he wants to go. He will listen more to Joyce's "We tried to do something great and world changing, and the pilot's stopped us" spin than the pilot's "The company is trying to rip us off" spin.
Qantas's PR and their mates in the media can (and will) make any one they want look bad. |
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