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JamieMaree 16th Aug 2019 18:12
The RAAF won’t let QF use their bases as an Alternate so BA have bugger all chance.

Chris2303 16th Aug 2019 20:29
Originally Posted by swh (Post 10546381)
The 787 only has a little over 4 tonnes in the tanks normally when arriving from LHR.
How much is that in time at say 250 knots?

f1yhigh 16th Aug 2019 21:00
Originally Posted by LeadSled (Post 10546862)
f1yhigh,
You have me confused, if they are the only one in the market, isn't that by simple reduction both dominating and a monopoly.??
The message, use plain English, unless, of course, you are practicing for a CASA PR job??
Tootle pip!!
Had a chuckle at CASA PR job, but touché.

StudentInDebt 16th Aug 2019 23:04
Originally Posted by swh (Post 10546381)


QF fuel policy does not require a destination alternate where BA does, QF will plan around landing with only 70 minutes endurance at the landing weight. The 787 only has a little over 4 tonnes in the tanks normally when arriving from LHR.
Unless it has changed under EASA, BA fuel policy does not require a destination alternate for isolated airfields, a minimum of 2 hours reserve is required (at cruise level I think).

Snakecharma 17th Aug 2019 05:53
Catwalk and dragon,

understand - but as someone who has seen such violent and soul destroying acts up very close and personal, I reckon there could be better words that convey the same message without the potential to invoke such an emotional response.

i have negotiated pilot EBA’s and they are very much an exercise in give and take and many a party feels aggrieved at some point in the process. Few, if anyone, on either side of the table, walks away from a negotiation feeling happy.

Could I ask that next time just look for alternative words that conveyed the same emotion without the negative connotations.

*Lancer* 17th Aug 2019 08:29
Originally Posted by StudentInDebt (Post 10547198)
Unless it has changed under EASA, BA fuel policy does not require a destination alternate for isolated airfields, a minimum of 2 hours reserve is required (at cruise level I think).

Nothing wrong with Busselton

Street garbage 17th Aug 2019 08:32
...except no fuel, no stairs, no customs...

Blueskymine 17th Aug 2019 08:36
Originally Posted by Street garbage (Post 10547379)
...except no fuel, no stairs, no customs...
But they named it Busselton international airport and built a fancy terminal didn’t they? ;)

StudentInDebt 17th Aug 2019 09:01
except no fuel, no stairs, no customs...
and no ATC which would be a bit of a deal breaker for an international carrier.

VH DSJ 17th Aug 2019 09:15
Originally Posted by StudentInDebt (Post 10547401)
and no ATC which would be a bit of a deal breaker for an international carrier.

That didn't stop Air Asia from diverting to Kalgoorlie last night due weather in Perth. And well done to the QF crew who offered to activate the PAL aerodrome lighting for them. The Air Asia crew wouldn't have had much experience doing that. Good display of airmanship.

dragon man 17th Aug 2019 10:11
Rumour is more 787 orders to be announced with the annual results.

Going Boeing 17th Aug 2019 11:36
Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 10547448)
Rumour is more 787 orders to be announced with the annual results.
B787-10's would be a good choice to replace the B747 on the SYD-HND route. More -9's required to replace the A380 on the DFW route thus freeing up the A380 to operate the JNB route.

StudentInDebt 17th Aug 2019 14:41
Originally Posted by VH DSJ (Post 10547414)
That didn't stop Air Asia from diverting to Kalgoorlie last night due weather in Perth. And well done to the QF crew who offered to activate the PAL aerodrome lighting for them. The Air Asia crew wouldn't have had much experience doing that. Good display of airmanship.
And I doubt it would stop BA diverting to Kalgoorlie in similar circumstances, but that’s not quite the same thing as using Kalgoorlie (or Busselton) as a planned alternate. The last flight I know BA operated to PER was in 2011 (HMQ for the commonwealth heads of state) and I happen to know they used Island Reserve planning (10T for a 772 if you’re interested).

Catwalk Dweller 17th Aug 2019 15:39
Originally Posted by Snakecharma (Post 10547306)
Catwalk and dragon,

understand - but as someone who has seen such violent and soul destroying acts up very close and personal, I reckon there could be better words that convey the same message without the potential to invoke such an emotional response.

i have negotiated pilot EBA’s and they are very much an exercise in give and take and many a party feels aggrieved at some point in the process. Few, if anyone, on either side of the table, walks away from a negotiation feeling happy.

Could I ask that next time just look for alternative words that conveyed the same emotion without the negative connotations.

Snakecharma: You make your point well, and I accept your view - I would never try to say that you're wrong.

However, considering that the term in question was used correctly, and, from its context, not (I believe) used with any malice, could we perhaps just genially and politely agree to disagree?

Snakecharma 18th Aug 2019 07:39
Catwalk,

all good, and I agree no malice involved, so yes I think we understand each other.

swh 18th Aug 2019 09:39
Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 10547448)
Rumour is more 787 orders to be announced with the annual results.
The rumour of cancelling options is not the same as conversion to orders

f1yhigh 18th Aug 2019 12:58
Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 10547448)
Rumour is more 787 orders to be announced with the annual results.
Has the 787 made it's business case with QF? If memory serves me well, Alan Joyce said that the 787 would have to show a strong business case before more orders are made.

AerialPerspective 18th Aug 2019 13:22
Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10544681)
Well not really. For every pairing the overseas airline could run a similar (or better) type the other way. So a UK airline could run UK to Perth. Or a US airline could run direct to BN or SYD. If overseas airlines see a market to exploit they will.
Not so sure it's that simple. Qantas is configuring the 787s for this specific task, which based on PER-LHR-PER and MEL-LAX-MEL is profitable. I think the clincher may be that to use the 787 on anything else would require a higher density configuration to provide an adequate return. The overseas airlines would face the same problem and I'm guessing their reluctance might be based on running a similar aircraft and configuration which then excludes that airframe from being viable on their many other routes, whereas for QF this is not a problem because they are only using the aircraft on those specific routes. Of course, when ULH aircraft like the 777-8X become available that advantage might disappear.

maggot 18th Aug 2019 23:03
Originally Posted by f1yhigh (Post 10548296)
Has the 787 made it's business case with QF? If memory serves me well, Alan Joyce said that the 787 would have to show a strong business case before more orders are made.
Well I guess that would involve someone suggesting a pet project of theirs wasn't up to snuff...

dragon man 18th Aug 2019 23:53
Originally Posted by maggot (Post 10548731)
Well I guess that would involve someone suggesting a pet project of theirs wasn't up to snuff...
I would suggest it’s a no brainer, less fuel, higher load factor, cheap purchase price and lastly cheaper pilots , I think he said a 35% increase in productivity.


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