Who or what is a professional negotiator? Someone please provide a name and link to the website or qualifications of such a person and then please explain precisely how they would get a better deal.

Google Industrial Relations Negotiators I’m sure you’ll find a few pages of companies that specialise in this field. What they do is take the emotion out of it, and look at the long game.

There are whole subjects at universities devoted to the topic. It’s a speciality and understanding the techniques, tactics, emotions and other variables, a proper negotiator will get a better deal than you and I.

For example the New Zealand union sent their negotiators overseas and gave them proper training. Coming home with experience to do integrative (increasing the pie) negotiating rather than distributive (fighting for a larger slice of the pie), ANZ happily tried it, whereas Jetstar would only negotiate distributively.

Done correctly a integrative negotiation usually leads to both parties being happy with the deal rather than both parties usually being left disappointed with a distributive negotiation.

​​​​​​​well....what on earth are you going on about? 🧐

While doing the suggested Google search for professional negotiators, most of the results were for courses to help businesses combat the good negotiators that unions provide.

Also found this link: https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-becom...nal-negotiator

Essentially it says that the best negotiators are those who are already subject matter experts who then learn specific negotiation skills.

Thats awesome GA man, I am a QF737FO earning similar. Good to see champion.

I wonder how many WDOs GA man did for the year? To earn 200k out of SY I would be doing 90hrs+ a month plus living by the phone to get all the WDOs working my buttocks off.

SIN-BOM-SIN BOC 2 crew?

2100nm. 10 hour max duty BOC so don’t think that’s doable. Might be possible, but it would be very, very close.

For everyone reading who’s curious, a lot of what’s written here is flat out wrong. Ask guys who have been in SH awhile or read the award yourself and critically think about it. Too many LH guys are quick to comment on something they simply don’t understand. That’s not to say it’s all beer and skittles, just to say, look at it yourself and work it out. You’ll then see the utter B S posted around. PM me if you want. I’ve been in SH longer than I care to remember, I can at least point you to the answer 🍺🍺

Sin-Bom-Sin on the 747 with relief was shattering you would want to go near that.

SIN-BOM-SIN is almost exactly the same distance as PER-SIN-PER and it can’t be done as a return.

tinee - just because you are right, doesn’t mean they care or want to listen.

the LH EA is an archaic agreement holding back many careers to favour a few Senior fat cats ( you’ll be where I am one day sonny......)

The SH contract restricts international ops to the equator (with exception of SIN) so BOM can’t be done by SH crew.

You do understand this is an EA negotiation? Perhaps that restriction has been lifted.

Go to a roadshow and ask the question there. I am LH and not on top of all the SH news.
Whether a change like this is “substantive” or not is another issue.

Edit: after perusing another forum with a bit less rumour content this change is apparently a company ask.