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Josh Cox 2nd Apr 2019 10:33

I dont know what you guys are talking about.............
 
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ee14bc7fc6.jpg
By the way, that was my Furbie.

Captain Nomad 2nd Apr 2019 11:52


In a 40+ year flying career, an incident or accident can happen at any time - the odds that somebody’s ‘Sully’ moment strikes in the first year or two of gaining those first couple of thousand hours is relatively low. While that is a good thing, it can also cloud the argument over the value of experience.
An aircraft with a couple hundred people in the back is a poor place to be spending time gaining experience to prepare for one's Sully moment... I think most of the travelling public would like to think that the guys in the front are ALREADY experienced enough to be ready for that moment...

Having said that, humility is a good thing and avoiding the hazardous attitudes associated with complacency is an ongoing challenge for the experienced.

LeadSled 2nd Apr 2019 22:52

Folks,
As been often said:" You are only as good as your last sector".
Tootle pip!!

Gligg 3rd Apr 2019 13:53


Originally Posted by Captain Nomad (Post 10436585)
An aircraft with a couple hundred people in the back is a poor place to be spending time gaining experience to prepare for one's Sully moment... I think most of the travelling public would like to think that the guys in the front are ALREADY experienced enough to be ready for that moment...

Having said that, humility is a good thing and avoiding the hazardous attitudes associated with complacency is an ongoing challenge for the experienced.

Just to clarify - my point was that the relative absence of major events during those early years of experience is what I think clouds the argument on the value of experience. Just because you get through unscathed, doesn’t mean the risk level wasn’t higher during that time. Airbus and Boeing have done a lot to spackle experience gaps with technology,and quite successfully, but on a bad day sometimes that experience counts. Some companies devalue experience in the search for complicit or endentured/cheaper employees, and build a narrative to support it, but so does any major corporation. Doesn’t mean we have to buy into it.

Captain Nomad 3rd Apr 2019 13:59


Some companies devalue experience in the search for complicit or endentured/cheaper employees, and build a narrative to support it, but so does any major corporation. Doesn’t mean we have to buy into it.
Absolutely. And from what I have seen in recent times, most associated research is conducted with an objective of supporting such corporate narratives... It's like pharmaceuticals - who is paying for the research can make all the difference to what the findings are...


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