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it doesn't matter that much who gets the job. If John Thomas gets the job, there will be an immediate and noticeable improvement in staff engagement which will in turn be reflected in an improvement in the bottom line. He understands how an airline works. Conversely, the appointment of MM or Blunty, neither of whom have the respect of the workers, will result in a further decline in morale, high staff turnover and a continuing plummet to the bottom. These two hardly even know what an aircraft is! |
So you'd be equally happy then if Blunty or MM don't get the job, but Fahour or Frazis do? While I agree there are far better candidates than Blunt one or MM, part of the problem for both of them is apart from not being the 'sharpest" tools in the shed, they don't fit either of the conditions I mentioned earlier either..... That was the context of my earlier posting.
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I don’t know anything about Fahour or Frazis so the saying “better the devil you know” comes into play. However, the entire workforce at Virgin DOES know John Thomas and they also know that he understands the problems at Virgin AND he knows what needs to be done to fix them. It’s a very simple choice as to who would be the “best fit” to turn Virgin around. Why do you think JB got rid of him in the first place? |
Simple stuff, John Thomas IN, JB and Elizabeth Who OUT. I’m fed up with arriving overhead with a tonne for - Tanner - Hammes - HR - E190 - 50/50 Cadets - Losing JT I’ve forgot what it feels like turning up with 60 minutes in the tanks! Bring back JT and I’ll rethink my fuel planning. |
Bullwinkle, it doesn't matter that much who gets the job. What is important is that they surround themselves with capable, knowledgeable staff, and that they ACTUALLY LISTEN to what said staff tells them. Sadly, neither of those things usually happen. |
Hoss, so your fuel planning is contingent on who the CEO is? Really? You can all wish for JT as much as you like. I just can't see the same board who gave him the arse, giving him the job, that's all. I might also point out that the vast majority of you were all agog when Borghetti got the job in the first place. Why you put ANY trust in a CEO with no runs on the board these days is beyond me.
"However, the entire workforce at Virgin DOES know John Thomas and they also know that he understands the problems at Virgin AND he knows what needs to be done to fix them." That's what everyone said about Borghetti, too. |
That's what everyone said about Borghetti, too. I would suggest that most at Virgin were skeptical of an ex-QANTAS person getting the top job, and knew very little about him. But when he arrived he was affable enough and yes, I along with many others was taken in by this salesman, but it didn’t take very long for the real JB to surface. JT on the other hand actually understands the industry, not the mail room, and he’s not as ego driven. This has been experienced by the workers at Virgin already and the fact that so many want him back must surely demonstrate that he is well regarded. |
Hi porch, no CEO names on that list of screw ups. I understand your thinking but 7.0 is a bit excessive, just as well I’m not on the ATR. |
While I’m not advocating for any new CEO my recollection of JT’s demise was the result of him putting an ultimatum to the board. He as the CEO of VAA was being frustrated in his plans for the airline by JB who, supposedly, had handed over control of the airline, but still overroad JT’s decisions. JT went to the board, outlined his plans and indicate that the board had to decide who had to go........subsequently the board NARROWLY VOTED FOR JB. IF and, I say IF that is the case, he wasn’t sacked so the board should not have a big issue in reinstating JT. |
Unless there is a new Chairman and a Board change of a few, you're all wasting your time with the "new messiah" JT
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you're all wasting your time with the "new messiah" JT It’s just a fact that JT has a proven track record within aviation and he understands how this industry works. He also has a modicum of respect for the actual workers, unlike JB. |
I’ve never seen such dribble for some executive. His History. Done. Gone. Finished. Never to be seen again. Let’s move on. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
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I’ve never seen such dribble for some executive. His History. Done. Gone. Finished. Never to be seen again. Let’s move on. |
His set of skills does not fit the Virgin gig quite simply. He is more suited to a team led, innovative and valued employee culture. That ain’t here. |
Bullwinkle, I was there too. I recall the conversations and statements when he arrived. I was part of it. Lest you think I don't like JT, I think he would be a better bet than anyone else who has been mentioned so far. But my point still stands. Same board. The other issue is the more the workers agitate and talk him up, the more I believe it hurts any chance he may have. Can't recall any company in my working memory that has employed a CEO that was actually lobbied for by the workers.
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valued employee culture. That ain’t here. Can't recall any company in my working memory that has employed a CEO that was actually lobbied for by the workers. |
Maybe some" Cavalry " could arrive just in the nick of time to save the day!!!
This is part of a story from an online article . " Singapore Airlines is believed to be eyeing an increased stake in Virgin Australia, above its current 20%, through a bid for the 19.8% shareholding of China's HNA Group. Nanshan Capital, which also controls about a fifth of Virgin Australia’s shares, is also said to be interested in HNA's stake as the Chinese conglomerate offloads non-core assets to reduce debt, according to people familiar with the matter. HNA's stake could attract bids from existing shareholders in the company as well as other airlines and investment funds if HNA decides to pursue a sale, the people said, asking not to be identified because the deliberations are private." |
Story in The Australian from last month. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...0b0a2ef4d2b340 DataRoom reported last month that Virgin’s former head of domestic and international business, John Thomas, was in the frame to replace Mr Borghetti and is believed to be backed by some big investors. |
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AP, my reading is fine. I was answering 2 posts in the same post. I "contend" nothing. I have expressed no opinion on whether I believe Borghetti should stay, go or anything else. My opinion is completely irrelevant in the context of who gets the job next. Which is why I don't get stressed over it. You on the other hand, are gonna blow a seal if you keep that ranting up........
When it comes right down to it, will I suffer if they go under, nope... I fly on both carriers and have more QF points than VA (and ID travel is long gone) so it would have minimal impact on me personally but I want to see the industry survive. There are plenty of people on here to criticize QF all the time and for a long time VA was seen as the messiah all the while being run into the ground. I don't get wound up about it, I'm just expressing an opinion from experience of the organization and some of the players. Mine is more a lament at, like politics, airline management in many companies these days seems to consist of people that any average businessperson wouldn't employ. The people one would be inclined to offer a job to without hesitation never reach those levels. Maybe you should just chill out a bit and re-read some of my posts, often the intent is whimsy or irony... painting the pitiful side... |
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Originally Posted by mattyj
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the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. |
There's an in depth analysis, long news article, about the above topic, which was posted online 20 hours ago,
It's excellent reading in regards to the current VA financial situation. Heading, "window for change opens at Virgin as owners take exit row". (The Sydney Morning Herald, 03 September 2018-1:18pm) Can find it online by googling. |
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Does anyone have a free link or can paste the Australian article today re Singapore. |
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