Gutless QANTAS
https://www.news.com.au/travel/world...cf9755629e9f4d
What a gutless bunch of pricks QANTAS managment are. TAIWAN is NOT CHINA. TIBET is NOT CHINA. The disputed islands in the South China Sea are NOT CHINA. CHINA NEEDS TO BE STOPPED NOW! :mad: |
I bet Jetset Julie and her Canberra minions had a significant hand in Qantas' decision. Qantas was on a hiding to nothing!
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Qantas doesn’t sell tickets to Tibet or the South China Sea, and most of the UN (including Australia) recognises the PRC as the legitimate government of Taiwan. Bit hard to go against that when you want to do business in China! |
Alan Joyce. You gutless, feckless, fcukwit. |
So as a business leader what would you do? Cut of your nose to spite your face? Look at the list of other airlines who have already changed, have you made online attacks against them? So if Qantas said no........ Hmmmm your Beijing and Shanghai slots have been revoked? Hong Kong? Expansion into China and south east Asia. As a business leader one needs to think long term. So I ask what would you have done? |
We don't even fly there, it's a codeshare with China Airlines
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
(Post 10165353)
We don't even fly there, it's a codeshare with China Airlines
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AUSTRALIA is NOT CHINA...but give it a few more years...:}
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Originally Posted by cattletruck
(Post 10165375)
AUSTRALIA is NOT CHINA...but give it a few more years...:}
Give little Napoleon a break. He is a bully only when he is the bigger man. Was very happy to use company funds where it suited him as a social campaigner. He is a reflection of modern Australia, happy to take the money from a brutal dictatorship, as he was to ignore the dystopian elements relating to personal conduct in the UAE that he willing exposed his customers to. |
Why is it QF who are being attacked on this site when the reality is most governments (including Australia’s) and most other airlines and companies who trade with China have the exact same policy? Is it just an excuse for more QF bashing for any reason that exists throughout this forum? |
QANTAS bashing it may be but a decade of totalitarian rule from that excuse of a CEO has created this sentiment. You’ll forgive people for having a hair trigger when it comes questionable decisions. |
Originally Posted by cattletruck
(Post 10165375)
AUSTRALIA is NOT CHINA...but give it a few more years...:}
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Qantas....standing up for SSM, but not DEMOCRACY |
Blitz and Rated De 1000% spot on. Dre don’t be so sensitive. No one is having a go at hard working QF Staff. This is all about what your boss and board have decided what your company stands for and doesn’t stand for at the behest of you and the rest of your colleagues. All with what seems zero accountability. Greed is king and AJ is a complete two faced little queen scared of China. No leadership at all except when talking up profits and turn around. |
Bang on Dr Dre. BA, LH,Etihad, Malaysian, Garuda, Air Canada etc are but a few who have already done what Qantas has done. And don't forget EK - they banned their Taiwanese Cabin Crew from wearing the Taiwanese flag on their uniforms.
But hey, this isn't a Qantas or AJ bash........... |
It’s not being sensitive it’s being accurate. This is the Australian government’s stance on Taiwan from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade website: The Australian Government continued to recognise Taipei until the establishment of diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China (PRC) in 1972. Australia’s Joint Communiqué with the PRC recognised the Government of the PRC as China’s sole legal government, and acknowledged the position of the PRC that Taiwan was a province of the PRC. The terms of our Joint Communiqué dictate the fundamental basis of Australia’s one China policy - the Australian Government does not recognise the Republic of China (ROC) as a sovereign state and does not regard the authorities in Taiwan as having the status of a national government. Comments refering to the CEO as a “gutless, feckless, fcukwit” or “two faced little queen” over this decision are naive of the diplomatic reality, naive of the commercial and demographic reality, crude and bigoted. Past decisions by Qantas senior management have trashed the company and caused significant damage to my own career but these attacks are unjustified. |
Keep it on topic folks. Look at the thread title.
The only real question for me is with which side do you empathize, the PRC government on the mainland, or the ROC government in Taiwan? |
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10166065)
Past decisions by Qantas senior management have trashed the company and caused significant damage to my own career but these attacks are unjustified. Though when you decide to take a very public and high profile stand arguing ‘principles’ it does look a tad hypocritical when you decide to compromise them later on. |
Homosexuality is illegal in Singapore (and UAE). Shall Qantas make a stand and stop flying there? |
Not sure why they could not call it Taiwan? That’s what it is called in all the airports in mainland China. What is the true danger to navigation is the constant calls the Chinese military make on 121.5 telling aircraft to get of their airspace. That is sometimes a long way from China when you can see the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Korea, or Japan etc out the window. They just take take take, no consideration for the rule of law most of the time. |
Both countries have a brutal history of thuggery. Granted Taiwan's move toward a democracy. Taiwanese aren't always clear-cut with what they want in terms of China so its just another civil war we're getting involved in for economic loss?
If the West is serious about Taiwan. Arm them ! China will only become more belligerent as its air force and navy comfortably ascends Taiwan's military capabilities which are facing block obsolescence. |
Just a commercial decision. Isn’t this more something our Government should be protesting about? |
Just a commercial decision. China is important to Australia. These issues need to be worked through at the same time as lessoning our dependance on the Chinese ( reminds me of America's Middle East dependance ). Qantas wisely kowtowed. |
What do we expect? This is the same Qantas who just a few years back flew an A380 flypast to celebrate Australia Day but now encourages its people to refer to said times as ‘the invasion’ and ‘the invaders’. International offence and encouraging Ill feeling toward others and Qantas are no strangers. |
What is the UN view of Taiwan? |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10165942)
Why is it QF who are being attacked on this site when the reality is most governments (including Australia’s) and most other airlines and companies who trade with China have the exact same policy? Is it just an excuse for more QF bashing for any reason that exists throughout this forum? |
If Qantas felt that the federal government was going to get involved in multi lateral trade pact that was going to pursue amendments to the Open Skies agreement directed solely at China, then I'm sure that Qantas and Flight Centre for that matter would be able to find the pair that seems to have gone astray. Don't hold your breath. If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation. Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought. Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business. |
Originally Posted by Willie Nelson
(Post 10168697)
If Qantas felt that the federal government was going to get involved in multi lateral trade pact that was going to pursue amendments to the Open Skies agreement directed solely at China, then I'm sure that Qantas and Flight Centre for that matter would be able to find the pair that seems to have gone astray. Don't hold your breath. If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation. Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought. Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business. |
Captain Bloggs, I might suggest that consistency for its own sake doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either. There is some merit in speaking out on issues that you believe you may have an influence over while not picking pointless fights when it will only demonstrate your weakness in a field of debate also seems to have merit even you disagree with the issue at hand. We Australians all get a bit tetchy when people talk about sex, politics and religion, I suspect we may respectfully disagree on the issues at hand but I think talking about these issues respectfully is what makes the world go around, perhaps in that much we have a bit in common. |
Originally Posted by Willie
Captain Bloggs
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Right thing
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10165350)
So as a business leader what would you do? Cut of your nose to spite your face? Look at the list of other airlines who have already changed, have you made online attacks against them? So if Qantas said no........ Hmmmm your Beijing and Shanghai slots have been revoked? Hong Kong? Expansion into China and south east Asia. As a business leader one needs to think long term. So I ask what would you have done? |
Qantas doesn’t have any “Western allies”. All of Australia’s Western allies happen to acknowledge the same political landscape Qantas has acquiesced to. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by *Lancer*
(Post 10169962)
Qantas doesn’t have any “Western allies”. All of Australia’s Western allies happen to acknowledge the same political landscape Qantas has acquiesced to. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic
(Post 10169902)
Stand up for what is morally and ethically right....Then if they play hardball get your western allies to revoke all of their slots and show them who is boss!!
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