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Pax forces his way onto MEL tarmac
Just saw this on Paul Murray Jetstar: Melbourne Airport experiences tarmac security breach This is should be plastered all over the news. How dare someone get out on the tarmac. Perhaps because flying is so common now, like catching a bus, and a lot to do with the Australian attitude against rules and authority, the general public don’t have respect for aircraft anymore. I’m constantly surprised how people treat aircraft with regard to leaving rubbish or putting their feet all over the seats. No way would you leave rubbish on the floor of someone $100,000 BMW but a $70 million aircraft. No worries. Im glad more people are flying, more jobs, but have some respect people. |
It goes both ways...
The way some airlines treat the passengers who keep them in business, their luggage, or simply their schedules, why would anyone think this is an unusual occurrence? I spend more time in the air as SLF than I do commuting to the airport or to work when at work - so yes, a lot of people now do consider airlines as just another form of public transport. Though you'd find the type of bloke in the article would be the kind of muppet who would take a dump in ol' mates $100K BMW if he was late, or dropped him off on the wrong side of the road. The concerning bit is how he managed to just barge through the gate and make it to the aircraft in the first instance. So much for 'security' - but don't worry, a few hundred million spent on domestic body-scanners will fix that! |
I don't believe there is Security placed at boarding gates...only Airline Staff.
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Passenger wasn't that clever by the looks of it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the footage it appears that the rear door was open with the steps in place .................
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Originally Posted by peuce
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I don't believe there is Security placed at boarding gates...only Airline Staff.
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Door from terminal is swipe access only therefore the questions to be asked centre on boarding/flight closed procedures for ground/terminal staff. Also there's a need to re-think JQ's often illogical/inflexible positions that are designed to disempower and limited the decision making propensity of staff. I understand the lowest common denominator theory is a pathway for lower labour costs, but this often prevents common sense decisions being made.
My personal view is that if we haven't closed the a/c doors then its better to board a 'late to the gate' pax rather than have the ramp rummage around for 15 minutes finding bags to offload and delaying the other money paying pax who at the end of the day are customers/clients. Treat people with respect and a service culture and generally the behavioural response is positive - treat them poorly and they will have a lesser value/quality perception which is reflected in their behaviour. AT |
Channel 9 news last night mentioned that the aircraft in question was about to commence boarding. In that case, it's likely that the Terminal door was open, passengers queued up in preparation, etc. Therefore no great feat to jump the queue and run out onto the tarmac.
DIVOSH! |
Security at boarding gates happens in most of the civilised world. Not here.
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Originally Posted by Berealgetreal
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Security at boarding gates happens in most of the civilised world. Not here.
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FWIW I’m sure if you folk regard the U.K. as being in Europe or not these days but generally there’s no security staff at most U.K. gates either, though doors to jetties are normally kept locked until boarding/pre-boarding commences... Of course anyone at the gate probably has already been screened by security. |
I hope they throw the book at him. Apart from roughing up the staff and potentially damaging the aircraft, he had a cigarette!
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Might have changed but last time I travelled, security teams moved to the gate. Who cares anyway.
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Not your average traveller
This clown had apparently been ejected for aggressive behaviour inside the terminal but then he managed to get back inside! Proceeded to a gate where he pushed over a staff member to get on the tarmac where he punched another. The crew held the door closed to keep him out. |
Originally Posted by Roller Merlin
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The crew held the door closed to keep him out.
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This just proves the true value of having an ASIC card - only good for coffee discounts at participating airport cafes.
Apparently it wasn't even the bogan's flight. |
Originally Posted by cattletruck
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This just proves the true value of having an ASIC card - only good for coffee discounts at participating airport cafes.
Apparently it wasn't even the bogan's flight. |
Arming the door would not have helped. All modern aircraft disarm their slides when the door is opened from the outside. But the real problem is not that the guy got onto the tarmac, it’s the fact he was allowed to remain in the terminal in the first place. This is because security at airports is a farce. It follows rules made by clowns to in attempt to appease an ignorant traveling who really don’t think about anything other than themselves. The reality is that it is possible to get access to the apron virtually anywhere. Lockable doors, special codes, ID cards are little more than window dressing and a total waste of the travelling public’s money. Anyone who is determined enough can get airside, so why bother making in inconvenient for those who need access? And when these things do happen, they are not for baggage handlers to sort out nor the cabin crew on another flight. This guy was never going to get anywhere anyway. But trying to prevent him from doing so could easily get you hurt and/or damage aircraft doors. Play cool, try not to annoy idiots like these and wait a few minutes for the police. They are paid to get really heavy with people who are in the wrong place and have the equipment, training and authority to do so. Don’t get me wrong, I would happily knock his teeth down his throat if I need to, but playing is smart is generally a better option. And we should also remember that the presence of security staff does not mean security, just additional costs to pass onto the travelling public. In the first place, they are not the highest paid employees therefore you will not get the most able. And considering that they are probably paid minimum wage, would take a beating for that? So why should you expect them to do so. To expand the security thought process, consider this; UK prison security is considered to be some of toughest out there. But our prisons leak like sieves. Yet repeatedly mobile phones, SIM cards, drugs, weapons and firearms are found in epidemic proportions in British prisons. How on earth do they get there? First of all, prisoners do not care for rules or regulations. That is why they they are locked up. Yet exactly the same methodology but in a watered down version is used to ensure our safety at airports. Now, as far as I know, those with criminal intent will not follow the rules nor will they bother about the systems that exist to prevent them from carrying out their intent. They’ll circumvent everything placed in their path in their pursuit to do us harm. Fix prison security, learn from that and then apply those lessons to airports. Until then, just hope it’s not going to be a bad day for you. PM |
And the relevance of ASICs in this situation is? |
Piltdown Man, that would have to be one of the best analysis of the current security regime I have read in a long time. |
I blame Hollywood, Dumb and Dumber and that kid from Love Actually who jumped the airport gate chasing his sweetheart.
When asking for I.D, the second question has to be "............ Jim Carey's character ran and fell from an aerobridge. Can you name the movie?" If a person can.... our roving patrolmen need to be very suspicious! (NB: The author draws no link between the movie title and policy makers) |
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