Just saw this on Paul Murray

Jetstar: Melbourne Airport experiences tarmac security breach

This is should be plastered all over the news.

How dare someone get out on the tarmac. Perhaps because flying is so common now, like catching a bus, and a lot to do with the Australian attitude against rules and authority, the general public don’t have respect for aircraft anymore. I’m constantly surprised how people treat aircraft with regard to leaving rubbish or putting their feet all over the seats. No way would you leave rubbish on the floor of someone $100,000 BMW but a $70 million aircraft. No worries.

Im glad more people are flying, more jobs, but have some respect people.

Nor in the US or Europe :rolleyes:

FWIW I’m sure if you folk regard the U.K. as being in Europe or not these days but generally there’s no security staff at most U.K. gates either, though doors to jetties are normally kept locked until boarding/pre-boarding commences...

Of course anyone at the gate probably has already been screened by security.

This clown had apparently been ejected for aggressive behaviour inside the terminal but then he managed to get back inside! Proceeded to a gate where he pushed over a staff member to get on the tarmac where he punched another. The crew held the door closed to keep him out.

And the relevance of ASICs in this situation is?

Arming the door would not have helped. All modern aircraft disarm their slides when the door is opened from the outside.

But the real problem is not that the guy got onto the tarmac, it’s the fact he was allowed to remain in the terminal in the first place. This is because security at airports is a farce. It follows rules made by clowns to in attempt to appease an ignorant traveling who really don’t think about anything other than themselves.

The reality is that it is possible to get access to the apron virtually anywhere. Lockable doors, special codes, ID cards are little more than window dressing and a total waste of the travelling public’s money. Anyone who is determined enough can get airside, so why bother making in inconvenient for those who need access? And when these things do happen, they are not for baggage handlers to sort out nor the cabin crew on another flight. This guy was never going to get anywhere anyway. But trying to prevent him from doing so could easily get you hurt and/or damage aircraft doors. Play cool, try not to annoy idiots like these and wait a few minutes for the police. They are paid to get really heavy with people who are in the wrong place and have the equipment, training and authority to do so. Don’t get me wrong, I would happily knock his teeth down his throat if I need to, but playing is smart is generally a better option.

And we should also remember that the presence of security staff does not mean security, just additional costs to pass onto the travelling public. In the first place, they are not the highest paid employees therefore you will not get the most able. And considering that they are probably paid minimum wage, would take a beating for that? So why should you expect them to do so.

To expand the security thought process, consider this; UK prison security is considered to be some of toughest out there. But our prisons leak like sieves. Yet repeatedly mobile phones, SIM cards, drugs, weapons and firearms are found in epidemic proportions in British prisons. How on earth do they get there? First of all, prisoners do not care for rules or regulations. That is why they they are locked up. Yet exactly the same methodology but in a watered down version is used to ensure our safety at airports. Now, as far as I know, those with criminal intent will not follow the rules nor will they bother about the systems that exist to prevent them from carrying out their intent. They’ll circumvent everything placed in their path in their pursuit to do us harm. Fix prison security, learn from that and then apply those lessons to airports. Until then, just hope it’s not going to be a bad day for you.

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Piltdown Man, that would have to be one of the best analysis of the current security regime I have read in a long time.

I asked in another thread but no one answered my question.

If you think the current security is a farce, what do you propose in its place? Or do you think everyone should just be able to wander on in without being challenged?

Interesting question. Yes, actually, having no security whatsoever would achieve the same outcome as the current theatre provides.

Think thats preposterous, then ask yourself, when was the last time you walked through a metal detector, or a multi hundred thousand dollar body scanner to get on a train, or go to a football match.

All of these are soft targets. Terrorists have targeted trains, busses, football matches, concerts basically anywhere people gather in large groups. Yes they’ve also targeted aircraft, but why are airports singled out when they are no more likely a terrorist target than any other event or form of public transport.

Somebody is making a fortune out of peddling irrational fear.

No, that’s correct for an Airbus. Perhaps not all modern aircraft, but the aircraft in question and all others currently manufactured by airbus function this way.

Slightly off track, but I think it’s only the Boeing 737 that has a totally manually operated girt bar. Now let’s face it, they are not very modern are they. Their design dates back to 1964. So I’ll stand by my assertion.

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My memory is that if you push hard enough you can open those swipe card operated doors. Security at every gate is unsustainable, we’re already getting closer to a Police State thanks to mega minister Mr Potato Head. As long as there are sufficient security personnel available to apprehend people like this that should be enough and regardless of how people are treated by an airline there is no excuse for the behavior of the passenger in this case.

Small point but ‘tarmac’ is a road material... it’s called the ‘apron’... it may be covered in tarmac or concrete material but it’s an apron.

Yeh, then everybody turns up late because they know they’ll get on and this rubbish about how airlines treat people is rubbish. I’ve been flying for 50 years, never had a bag lost or damaged... maybe because I don’t buy a bag that’s made out of flimsy thin material held together by spit.
There’s no excuse for this type of behavior and blaming airlines is ridiculous, a rational person would just fly with someone else next time not break the law.
What you’re suggesting means if someone doesn’t like the way Myer treats them they should be able to run in and steal product then jump out through a window.