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Tiger Industrial Action
Interesting read in the Age this morning regarding planned industrial action at Tiger. Anyone know what action will be taken; red ties, PAs, extra gas? Well done AFAP ( and the other mob...) IH |
No MEL’s, no change to rostered duty/sectors and maybe something else., can’t remember what to dude said
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It’s quite easy to do PIA that doesn’t disrupt the pax significantly that can be union sanctioned. * No de rated take off’s * Fully configured by 3000’ * No track shortening * Sign on right at sign on, not 5 or 10 mins early, go grab that coffee if the bus arrived early I’m sure there’s plenty of other ideas. |
Where’s Merren? |
Here ya go boys, throw these on as well.
https://tcprd-tdcdn.netdna-ssl.com/o...-540-800-0.jpg This method really works:hmm:! |
What exactly are the differences of tiger 737 compared to Virgin 737? Or even Jetstar conditions? Serious question. I only ask because they are the low cost operator to Virgin, like Jetstar to qantas. If Jetstar just said they wanted the same as QF mainline no one would blink. I actually thought tiger had some better conditions than Jetstar? I honestly don’t know though. |
Originally Posted by Interceptheading
(Post 10134682)
Anyone know what action will be taken; red ties, PAs, extra gas? They had GoCat and I suspect the old management just thought it was energetic and powerful, didn't get the joke. |
In principle agreement reached with the union, although why anyone would accept the first offer in this day and age is beyond me. You owe it to yourself and the colleagues around you to go for as much as possible which certainly isn’t done by voting the first offer up. |
PIA may be a useful Industrial tool but it works BOTH ways.
The provisions of PIA can also be used by the company against its employees. My opinion is that it should be avoided at all costs. "Going for as much as possible" has it's own pitfalls as many can attest. From 1989 to 2018 I can provide many an example. If the Union is happy then surely they have the support of the members and both sides can get on with life. Good work to the pilots who stood firm. |
There is a problem with that though ad-astra and that is a) most airlines I know of practice a form of IA every day, with impunity. And b) PIA is the ONLY language airlines understand. Without PIA, They only stonewall us.
They could lift their game if they wanted and PIA would be used mush less frequently. |
Yep agree Gordon.
he interesting thing is that the THREAT of PIA is usually all that is needed to bring a recalcitrant employer to the table. The threat of tumbling bookings and empty aeroplanes speaks loudest. Alas the THREAT has to be genuine, which is the hard bit. |
Alas the THREAT has to be genuine, which is the hard bit. |
Originally Posted by drpixie
(Post 10135981)
How about changing the callsign to Whiskas.
They had GoCat and I suspect the old management just thought it was energetic and powerful, didn't get the joke. |
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Originally Posted by ad-astra
(Post 10137450)
If the Union is happy then surely they have the support of the members and both sides can get on with life.
Good work to the pilots who stood firm. |
You said it Jetlike! The AFAP drove the first offer at Cobham like AFAP themselves had something to gain. The AFAP even claimed that ALL the reps were onboard when they weren’t. Individualistic goals and misinformation from within my union came as a complete surprise to me, very disappointed. Never vote based on advice from your union, always read the fine print and make your own choice. |
No pilots have voted anything in. The company obviously started to negotiate properly so no Pia. Now they go to the table again to finish the draft. Very strange with pilots leaving every week these companies choose to play hard ball. |
Very strange with pilots leaving every week these companies choose to play hard ball. "No Soup for you!" :} (nor any bonuses either, for that matter!) |
Any news on where the Tiger pilot group is with the bargaining process?
Has another draft document been agreed yet? PG |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10134727)
Where’s Merren? |
Tigers have a very fractured pilot group, the Airline know this, they rely on it to keep that unrest within the pilot group, keeps the confusion on the boil stalling for time. The last PIA was aborted at the last minute due some cunning tactics from the upper management, the drivers bought it hook line & sinker!
They have had more CP's, CEO's T&Cers & managers of all descriptions than most have had hot meals, the most dysfunctional Airline in Australia! |
Originally Posted by machtuk
(Post 10327360)
Tigers have a very fractured pilot group, the Airline know this, they rely on it to keep that unrest within the pilot group, keeps the confusion on the boil stalling for time. The last PIA was aborted at the last minute due some cunning tactics from the upper management, the drivers bought it hook line & sinker!
They have had more CP's, CEO's T&Cers & managers of all descriptions than most have had hot meals, the most dysfunctional Airline in Australia! |
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as long as their air go slows don’t delay me, good luck to them.
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Work to Rule - Good luck.
Very sadly, an all too familiar issue in Australia with Pilots, Engineers and Cabin Crew, thanks to the inept mangerial style still in vogue. :ugh: |
Originally Posted by Chocks Away
(Post 10350277)
Work to Rule - Good luck.
Very sadly, an all too familiar issue in Australia with Pilots, Engineers and Cabin Crew, thanks to the inept mangerial style still in vogue. :ugh: this is good to see, the Tiger management have been cunning and useless to say the least! In the past the management have relied on the pilot group being fractured, they are now becoming as one. Stand United guys/gals show the mongrels that it's no more Mr nice guy & getting abused! |
Cobham pilots made a quant leap in their EB recently. If the Cobham pilots can stick together anyone can, good luck! |
Originally Posted by Flava Saver
(Post 10134714)
It’s quite easy to do PIA that doesn’t disrupt the pax significantly that can be union sanctioned. * No de rated take off’s * Fully configured by 3000’ * No track shortening * Sign on right at sign on, not 5 or 10 mins early, go grab that coffee if the bus arrived early I’m sure there’s plenty of other ideas. Full Rev THR on landing, No Single Engine Taxi, Only report Mandatory Reportable Items (regulator hates that one). You will never win the support of the travelling public, NEVER. Since we were labelled Glrofied Bus Drivers back in the 80’s, that is all the public think and will think. Work to rule, cancelling flights will only drive your pay checks onto another airline. You need to look at it from a Business perspective (the airline does), how much is a Day Off worth to the company? “ I will work my day off sure. I want double day off payment, overtime flying rate and the day off added to my annual Leave for this year. If not, find someone else to operate.” Why shoot ourselves in the first foot? The purpose is to get our worth remunerated by the company, remunerate us. There will be a break even point where the company says it is not financially viable, that should be the target. When will unions evolve and stop playing the Companies game? |
Entitled morons, go get a job at Walmart... You will be crying if they close up.
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Originally Posted by 4 Holer
(Post 10350653)
Entitled morons, go get a job at Walmart... You will be crying if they close up.
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Go hard boys plenty of other jobs around these days , easy for F/Os as no loss of rank . |
For all we know there could be a complete new Management lineup at VA and TT in 12 months.
We we don’t know how much Dunkerley will gut the joint. But I’d be hedging bets on a complete overhaul. Farewell MM |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10351168)
For all we know there could be a complete new Management lineup at VA and TT in 12 months.
We we don’t know how much Dunkerley will gut the joint. But I’d be hedging bets on a complete overhaul. Farewell MM |
Originally Posted by 4 Holer
(Post 10350653)
Entitled morons, go get a job at Walmart... You will be crying if they close up.
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Originally Posted by machtuk
(Post 10351178)
There's always a complete new management line up ever 12 mths, so to speak, that's half the problem. New numbnuts come in trying to reinvent the wheel, find it's impossible then move on leaving a new mess behind. Tigers have had more managers at all levels than most have had hot meals, that kinda says it all!
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What’s the major sticking point/s? Is it money, conditions or both? I see the draft agreement that was rejected had monthly Captain base salary of $209K for 60 block hours. Was that part of the agreement palatable to most? Or is a higher $ number being fought for? Hoping for solidarity and a fairer, improved offer for you guys/gals. PG |
I’m very surprised that Tiger pilots are taking PIA, especially as “Merren McArthur is a popular leader.” :yuk: |
Check out her LinkedIn Page. Get the vomit bag out before you read it. |
Does anybody on this thread recall what their base salary was as a narrow body Captain twenty or thirty years ago? ( I’m too young and good looking to know). I am just interested to see what the ratio is now between median salary and $209k, and then see what the ratio was back then. |
Great news about Walmart opening up in Australia.
73qanda from memory a mate of mine from Ansett on the 73 as an FO was on about 140k mid to late 90s. |
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