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Can others shed some light on how this has been accepted by the Qantas mainline folks and their respective unions alike? If you are asking about the VH being flown by JC, there is a large body of outright hostility. The guys who have been sitting in the RHS waiting for 6,8,10 & 12 years on the 737, not a widebody for their shot are incandescent with rage. Can you blame them? The noises from the union have been muted thus far, as I believe they have the thinest of details about how this is proposal is to work. |
For those in JC the way the company choses to disregard and have nothing to do with JC is no surprise. They operate QF oainted aircraft but are far removed from the brand its not funny. They are Jetconnecr aircraft, operating JC SOPs under a NZ AOC. Nothing says Qantas. They guys and gals would like to be included in QF one way or the other, with plenty of Australian's working within JC because QF were not recruiting at the time and wait to gain experience. Now we all know what the deal is with the start up of JC and it comes down to the $$, but what do the employees do about it. Its same with Network being set up, as well as Cobham as well as QFlink. All subsidiaries albeit in another country. (Just remember there at QF Cabin Crew based in London).
The JC folks would surely embrace anyone who would want to go to NZ to gain a command on the 737 but people choose not to. Why don't guys apply to JC and get the command time on LWOP mainline? There were a number of guys in LWOP there a number of years ago doing exactly that. It would be fantastic if QF embraced the guys and gals over there and brought them in under their wing as that would not only optimise their aircraft but also their crew. |
They are Jetconnecr aircraft, operating JC SOPs under a NZ AOC. Nothing says Qantas. Jetconnect CEO Paul Daff under cross examination stated: (FWA) BOLTON Who pays the staff? DAFF Qantas effectively |
Originally Posted by Hold_Short
(Post 9999182)
For those in JC the way the company choses to disregard and have nothing to do with JC is no surprise. They operate QF oainted aircraft but are far removed from the brand its not funny. They are Jetconnecr aircraft, operating JC SOPs under a NZ AOC. Nothing says Qantas. They guys and gals would like to be included in QF one way or the other, with plenty of Australian's working within JC because QF were not recruiting at the time and wait to gain experience. Now we all know what the deal is with the start up of JC and it comes down to the $$, but what do the employees do about it. Its same with Network being set up, as well as Cobham as well as QFlink. All subsidiaries albeit in another country. (Just remember there at QF Cabin Crew based in London).
The JC folks would surely embrace anyone who would want to go to NZ to gain a command on the 737 but people choose not to. Why don't guys apply to JC and get the command time on LWOP mainline? There were a number of guys in LWOP there a number of years ago doing exactly that. It would be fantastic if QF embraced the guys and gals over there and brought them in under their wing as that would not only optimise their aircraft but also their crew. |
Originally Posted by maggot
(Post 9999225)
I appreciate the sincerity of your post. However, now getting toward 20 years in I'm getting a sniff of a 737 command on the east coast in my base and I should move to Auckland to do the same job I should have a shot at at home for what?
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If Mr Joyce did not play the insider's game, he would be outside.
JC was always industrial. Whether or not they actually can crew the flights the establishment of precedent is the only play here. |
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ZK-ZQB appears be in BNE presumably undergoing maintenance, is it being 'VH-d' at the same time?
Been quite a few XZ* international B738's operating NZ services the past few days. |
Such a shame, I had the displeasure of traveling on a VH registered 737 on the Tasman last week with an OZ based crew. The level of service was shocking and crew seemed to be going out of their way to wind customers up.
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Originally Posted by Tom/PER
(Post 10046790)
ZK-ZQB appears be in BNE presumably undergoing maintenance, is it being 'VH-d' at the same time?
Been quite a few XZ* international B738's operating NZ services the past few days. |
As a proof of your professionalism, apply only when you comply with all the requirements and if you have or can obtain a work permit that allows you to be employed in this country. |
This is an excellent idea. It worked exceptionally well and was very popular amongst VANZ/PAC Blue staff :E
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Could you enlighten us?
Why specifically did NZ get the rough end? |
Are there any AIPA members who can shed some light into how this process is going? There have been quite a few flight crew operating on VH tails from Jetconnect on QF AOC, however both unions across the ditch have done nothing but facilitate it. 🧐
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New contract was ratified by the NZALPA members on a Friday afternoon. After 2.5 years negotiating the company finally gave in on a number of demands and minimum industry standards. Well done to the negotiators and all those who stood proud and represented the body of pilots in getting this new contract across the line. Brilliant job! |
Originally Posted by Hold_Short
(Post 10220474)
New contract was ratified by the NZALPA members on a Friday afternoon. After 2.5 years negotiating the company finally gave in on a number of demands and minimum industry standards. Well done to the negotiators and all those who proud and represented the body of pilots in getting this new contract across the line. Brilliant job! |
I would say the contract is just average. My thoughts are it will fall behind the market after the 3 years is up. Still no protection of NZ flying...and no group senrioty number both of which Virgin NZ guys have. |
The company will always be behind the 8 ball when it comes to contract negotiations as they continue to compare us to low cost carriers and even below Jetstar. However, in saying that its is a remarkable improvement for such a 'young' airline in New Zealand which is soon be no longer an airline but simply a labor hire company of pilots and cabin crew for Qantas.
improvements include: 10 days off per month from 8 2hrs call out uo from 60 minutes Singlw day off to be 36hrs day off defined to 0000 to 2359 Incentives for paxing %50 flight time Working on a day off payment huge improvement Base slary increases of 3%, 2.5% then 2.5% DTA increase Qantas club access for pilots Business Class for paxing International (previous contract limited it to upgrade space available) MBF increase Rest and Meal Break annual payments Red days Partime DIL for working or being on RES on a P/Hol FOs employed from day 1 of type rating 2 year contract not 3. The list continues... Let it be known that all Jetconnect ALPA memeber have been striving for a more respectable contract which reflect industry minimums for such profession. |
Hold Short wrote : However, in saying that its is a remarkable improvement for such a 'young' airline in New Zealand which is soon be no longer an airline but simply a labor hire company of pilots and cabin crew for Qantas. the AIPA ,that’s exactly what this Company has been from inception , n’est-ce pas ? Low Pass wrote : Still no protection of NZ flying... Reminds me of the chorus from one of Midnight Oils hits : Short memory , must have a , short memory |
I heard a rumour that Jetconnect pilots aren’t flying too many hours at the moment and with increased A330 services on the Tasman there’s lots on inefficient patterns and lots of paxing? Anyone confirm? |
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