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Goddamnslacker 16th Mar 2016 05:01

Tower Waton
 
Yep the Engagement survey is back for 2016...I really wonder why they both at QF....more managers doing very little and they still have to contract an outside organisation to see if the staff are engaged!

Some would say, why dont management listen to there staff, after all they are the ones at the coal face, but no, if you even slightly disagree your branded as "not a team player" or a "disruptive individual" or have a "negative perspective" on the operation..
Oh well more spam email for the rubbish...I for one wont be doing it and urge all at QF to ignore it...

Chris2303 16th Mar 2016 05:07

I'll be doing it and answering truthfully!

Transition Layer 16th Mar 2016 11:05

Well it's pretty clear which subject you were a "slacker" in at school!

tail wheel 16th Mar 2016 18:43

Oh to be a mind reader........... :confused: :confused:

I'm guessing here, but are we discussing Towers Watson and a Qantas staff satisfaction survey?? :confused:

Blitzkrieger 16th Mar 2016 21:34


I'll be doing it and answering truthfully!
I hope every employee does. Don't be surprised when the results come back painting a poor picture of management, they follow up with a "calibration" survey. Our management did after it was very loudly declared by most that this is not a great place to work.

Good luck, give them hell and ignore any calibration surveys!

Goddamnslacker 16th Mar 2016 23:21

Waton was deliberate...actual QF Management see that if you complete the survey, regardless of what you state, that you are engaged with Management....their logic is ridiculous....

dr dre 16th Mar 2016 23:29

Although it's a known fact a lot of roo staff and pilots are very unhappy with management and some of their decisions over the past few years, you can probably now say the ball is finally turning in the opposite direction.
The engagement survey is probably a waste of time, to gauge real engagement just look at the turnover rate for pilots (extremely low) and the amount of existing pilots within the industry who will apply for pilot positions with the Q when recruiting starts up again (I'm guessing a very large percentage). Even the most of the pilots left out in the wilderness in 08/09 when the music stopped will probably be glad to take a job with them, not too many companies you can say that about these days...

The Green Goblin 17th Mar 2016 04:44

It's because there is little choice in Australia if you want to work for an airline.

Mis-Management know this.

Di_Vosh 17th Mar 2016 06:12


actual QF Management see that if you complete the survey, regardless of what you state, that you are engaged with Management
Agree 100% :ok:

A point recognised by many QF employees last year when the time limit to submit the engagement survey was extended, as only 52% of employees bothered to fill it out. I think that by the end of the extension they had 56% of employees filling out the engagement survey.

Last year was the first year that there wasn't any spruiking of how "We have 80% staff engagement!" or other such dribble.


I'll be doing it and answering truthfully!
Chris2303 that is entirely your right to do so. And while management will probably read your comments, the chances of your comments resulting in any management change is nil.

DIVOSH!

Chris2303 17th Mar 2016 11:17

"Chris2303 that is entirely your right to do so. And while management will probably read your comments, the chances of your comments resulting in any management change is nil."

That is understood but it feels good doing it!

Flava Saver 17th Mar 2016 12:45

C'mon peeps, we are all engaged.

Engaged with the local refuellers.

Five is the new Three is it not? 😂👍🏼

busdriver007 18th Mar 2016 18:24

2015 annual results and the engagement levels were stated as 75%. When asked specifically about Flight Operations it was discovered that the engagement was 18%. What the? Devil if you do, Devil if you don't! They will still manipulate the figures. Isn't this "Misleading and Disruptive"? Nobody seems to care.

gordonfvckingramsay 18th Mar 2016 22:04

Are some of you suggesting that Towers Watson will manipulate survey data to fit a predetermined outcome stipulated by Qantas? Or will Qantas take accurate data and publish what they want you to believe is your level of engagement? No matter what the case, it sounds like a certain degree of fraud is about to happen.

C441 18th Mar 2016 23:31

Recognising true engagement - and it's value - is not done by survey……..

Berealgetreal 19th Mar 2016 05:19

Chris2303, content doesn't affect the KPI. The minute you click on the link you are "engaged" and edging them closer to that bonus.

Bundy Bear 19th Mar 2016 15:09

why believe anything that this mob has said over the last 15 years, do it or don't do it. It won't change anything.

CurtainTwitcher 19th Mar 2016 22:48


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
No matter what the case, it sounds like a certain degree of fraud is about to happen.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

-- Upton Sinclair

Aussie Fo 20th Mar 2016 13:14

As someone who has completed the survey there are a couple of answers you can give which I think will leave no doubt your engagement, a little thought goes a long way.

1. How would you rate qantas as a place to work to your fiends?

2. How would you recommend Qantas to your friends?

There are a few others but think and I reacon you can get your point across.

whilst I know th'll publically work the result to their desire, you may cost Allan 1 million of his future bonus. At least flt'ops knows they have a problem of engagement, otherwise y would they be paying everyone to do the " course"

Be strategic, be smart. Aim for maximum effect

Chris2303 20th Mar 2016 13:41

Engaged enough to do the survey perhaps.

In the red? Definitely not


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