YPJT wrote:
I'm glad you're not managing my business - you're not a public servant in Canberra by any chance? I can buy a holographic ID card printer for less than $5K.

Compylot wrote:

Pleased about that - you've added nothing so far other than insulting those who don't fit in to your particular view of the world. If you manage to grow old and up like some of us here you'll hopefully understand, but it might be a long wait.

Oi Griffo; Point of Order: I never cry into my Red, and I don't have a fat guts!!:=:D

Don't do any dick swinging either.:{

Ovation; :ok:

I live for the day someone tries to check mine.

If they are not clearly identified as someone entitled to, I may just have to bag me someone acting suspiciously airside...

No doubt you can buy cheaper equipment but the point is there is only one supplier of the machine that prints the specified security foil (Kinegram). Last time I checked cost was well over $35k. A hologram machine may well provide equivalent tamper evident security but the physical aspects of the ASIC are specified in the regs which are not easily changed.
I know I am probably coming accross as a govt employee or rampant supporter of all aspects of Avsec. I am not but like many others here, I know full well the system is in dire need of a makeover. That though won't be achieved through spleen venting on PPRUNE.

Peuce in his post above summed up this discussion pretty well

Get your own material Stanwell!

I googled w!nker way back in 2014!

Long before you applied for the cadetship :ok:

I bet you're all stoked about the 'trial' of $180 spot fines *revenue raising* *cough* for incorrectly displayed ASICs.

Problem is, not many people understand when you are actually required to display them. Certainly not in the terminal coffee shop.

I've had everybody from customs, to rent a cops in terminals asking me to display it. The whole ASIC thing is a noose around your neck. Literally.

Australia is that tied down by red tape you need more red tape to hold it all together.

When do you have to display it?
What document should I read to find out exactly what the requirement is?
Cheers

framer,

Covered in Aviation Transport Security Regulations r3.03

Sub reg 4A above is an interesting one that not many seem to know about.

Ahhh YPJT :)

And exactly what I tell the security boffins. There is no requirement to display the ASIC card in the terminal at all. Unless you are in an area that is not available to the general public.

You must wear it airside or once you access restricted areas.

Funnily enough if you are with another pilot who is wearing one and they try to bust your chops you can always say you are under supervision of an ASIC card holder :)

YPJT - I see your 3.03 and raise you 3.2.2 for check in and bag chuckers
 

Subdivision 3.2.2—Display and use of ASICs, VICs and TACs outside secure areas

3.12 Persons facilitating passenger check‑in or baggage handling outside secure areas

(1) A person who is facilitating:

(a) passenger check‑in; or

(b) the handling of checked baggage;

at a security controlled airport (regardless of whether, at the time, he or she is in a secure area) must properly display a valid ASIC at all times while doing so.

Penalty: 5 penalty units.

Note 1: For properly displaying, see regulation 1.04; for valid, see regulation 1.05. The passenger and baggage check‑in areas are not normally part of the secure area of an airport.

Note 2: A person who properly displays a valid VIC or TAC, and is supervised by a person who properly displays a valid ASIC, need not display a valid ASIC—see regulation 3.09.

Note 3: At a time when such a person is outside the secure area, he or she complies with subregulation (1) if the ASIC is either a red ASIC or a grey ASIC. At a time when he or she is in the secure area, the ASIC must be either a red ASIC or a grey ASIC in accordance with regulation 3.03.

(2) A contravention of subregulation (1) is an offence of strict liability.


Aint it a joke. Merry XMAS all.

All too much for me, I'll just wear it when I'm off to work.
I hope these folk employed to check ASIC's have the authority to discipline all the groundless who sit in the hold or tug texting on their smart phones. A much bigger risk than having your ASIC in your pocket.

Here's a suggestion,

Make sure you check the ASIC and Company ID of the person checking you.

It's been known that their ID is out of date. You can then politely remind them of the consequences of impersonating a federal employee.

Nice one Fieldmouse. :D

And one for the screening officers. When on duty they can only display an ASIC and if they lose or leave it at home, they cannot use a VIC. So if an airport does not have the provision to issue temporary ASICs, the screening officer is screwed until it gets replaced.

5.07 Identity cards for screening officers
For paragraph 94(2)(b) of the Act, a screening officer must hold,
and while on duty must at all times properly display, a valid ASIC.

They aren't necessarily a federal employee.

The federal government of the United States of America is the undisputed king of security theatre, and is the only noteworthy believer in the pseudoscience behind the polygraph machine.

I think the fact the USA, of all possible nations saw the ASIC as a pointless exercise and chose not to implement a similar scheme of their own tells you everything you need to know about the true security benefits of the ASIC.

Doubt that the government would go to the expense of policing these cards. I was going through immigration the other day and ,despite signs and maybe even a video running about not using mobile phones, I stopped counting at 60 people in line who were on their phones and without a care. Sure , majority were Asian ( who don't give a toss about regulations ,would claim that they don't speak English and therefore do not understand what a circle with a bar over a picture of a mobile phone means) but, one was a Qantas captain in the crew line .
All under the noses of the immigration staff and not a word said, not a fine dispensed. Do you really think that they will travel out to airports around the country and conduct raids?

Don't think this is anything about enforcing rules, or actually achieving a measured improvement in security. It's all about power management and self promotion.

If the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development can beat their collective chests by making an example of a few unfortunates then that, in their pea brains, will be worth the effort and taxpayer expense.

I can see the Herald Sun headline now. "QANTAS CAPTAIN DETAINED AND CHARGED FOR NOT DISPLAYING CORRECT IDENTIFICATION. FLIGHT DELAYED. QANTAS SECURITY INVESTIGATES"

Remember the overriding reason for the existence of airport security.

1. Provide the illusion of security as we all no real security is all too hard.

2. Over inflate the importance of airport security in the media at every opportunity in order to reinforce our power base.

3. Using points 2 and 3 justify spending millions of taxpayer dollars on equipment which is of absolutely no benefit whatsoever (walk through full body scanners) but by spending all this money further justify our yearly budget.

4. By completing points 1 to 3 above, justify the employment of several thousand parasites that would otherwise be unemployable.

So, yes. I'm not surprised at all that these inspections are in the way. They will catch those whose ASIC has unfortunately blown upside down in the wind. They will make an example of those individuals. Puff out their chests and say what a great job they're doing.

IsDon, Technically they could do that but my experience is that the Transport Security Inspectors (TSIs) are not an unreasonable bunch. I would expect they would target those who are deliberately flaunting the regs by not displaying an ASIC at all, trying to use someone else's ASIC, or using one that has well and truly expired.

All these examples are well known and well documented largely thanks to posts on PPRUNE. :D

IsDon
 

The next heading, before your 4 points, should be:
Force the Airports to:
etc etc....


OTS pays for s#$t all, apart from running monthly RICM meetings where nothing happens.

It's the poor bloody pax, via the poor bloody airport, making L3, Smiths, MSS and SNP rich.

Cannot argue that said organisations are making a quid. Not unlike any other aviation associated business. Just like other organisations though, competition and margins are tight.

What do you suggest as an alternative to screening in the current climate?

BTW, RICMs are about 4 monthly.