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Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 9628688)
Just using PDT for rhetorical discussion, I wonder if an E-3 holder would be able to flow to AA mainline. The whole flow thing is much discussed and only time will tell.
I can see if an Australian were to weave the Magic Aussie Spell on some of the local talent and marry into a green card, it wouldn't be an issue. Not sure how the E-3 would affect the theoretical flow situation. And the AA careers website doesn't address the 4-year degree issue at all (unless I've overlooked something). I've heard of a couple of other aussies recently going to Skywest on an E3. |
Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT? It appears to be a slightly more costly process to convert these days compared to a few years ago...
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Originally Posted by lvnthedream...
(Post 9639078)
Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT? It appears to be a slightly more costly process to convert these days compared to a few years ago...
Take my situation I went to envoy with my FAA helicopter atp but no FAA fixed wing license at all. They put me through the CTP course at CAE, I paid for my written, then Envoy takes care of my fixed wing ATP on my check ride. I just had to get my Aussie fixed wing license and IR verified by FAA/CASA as that can be used as the basis qualification so long as it's from an ICAO state (just read the FAR part 61). The verification letter is valid for 6 months so you need to time it right to have it in your hand for you interview and then enough time left on it for start date and initial training otherwise you will need a new verification letter to take your flight test if the letter has expired. There is literally no extra expense to the company in the process except for the fact a foreign pilot needs to get their license verification and TSA clearances for the jet sims which is a lead time thing not really a big cost at all. Hope this helps. **note: for what it's worth I know PDT and Skywest are definitely taking Aussies on E3's. Envoy are not at the moment and I have no idea if they will in the future or not, you would have to check with the recruiting department. I'm not sure about the rest. |
Havick,
lvnthedream asked: "Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT?" I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ? There may have been a couple of those in years past but IIRC they were few in number and short lived. And...you mentioned paying for your "written". Is that an FAA fee for taking the ATP written exam for which Envoy paid to prepare you ? Probably not all that much money ? I thought the regionals doing the ATP-CTP course in-house also had examining authority to conduct the written themselves. |
Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 9640996)
Havick,
lvnthedream asked: "Is your mate self funding the FAA ATP? Or is that being covered by PDT?" I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ? There may have been a couple of those in years past but IIRC they were few in number and short lived. And...you mentioned paying for your "written". Is that an FAA fee for taking the ATP written exam for which Envoy paid to prepare you ? Probably not all that much money ? I thought the regionals doing the ATP-CTP course in-house also had examining authority to conduct the written themselves. Where they send us to do the CTP course didn't have the approval to conduct the written at the time, think they do now but can't be sure so that's why we had to organize it on our own back then. I think as soon as CAE had their testing room set up it was all included. Think you may have misinterpreted the way I wrote it. I can't think of any regional that isn't paying for everything except for the FAA written fee. |
I've received a number of PM's asking about the E3 visa requirements so I would like clarify that;
1. No uni degree is required when applying for the E3 visa as a pilot. 2. You don't need to have 12 years of industry experience to be granted the E3 visa as a pilot. I know of at least 6 people who didn't have the above and were still issued with the E3 visa. The US consulate didn't even ask to see my degree when I applied for the visa, nor did he ask how many years experience I had in the industry. 3. You don't need a FAA license before going to the USA as the training that is provided by your airline for the type rating covers the requirements for the issue of an FAA ATP after successfully completing the checkride. All you need to do before hand is get your CASA license verified by the FAA. The FAA will then issue you with a confirmation letter and a deadline by which you need to complete your type rating checkride which doubles as your ATP checkride. It really is a quick and simple process. I have just been through this whole process and have been issued with my temporary FAA ATP certificate whilst I wait for the plastic card version to arrive in the mail. |
Originally Posted by VH DSJ
(Post 9641168)
I've received a number of PM's asking about the E3 visa requirements so I would like clarify that;
1. No uni degree is required when applying for the E3 visa as a pilot. 2. You don't need to have 12 years of industry experience to be granted the E3 visa as a pilot. I know of at least 6 people who didn't have the above and were still issued with the E3 visa. The US consulate didn't even ask to see my degree when I applied for the visa, nor did he ask how many years experience I had in the industry. 3. You don't need a FAA license before going to the USA as the training that is provided by your airline for the type rating covers the requirements for the issue of an FAA ATP after successfully completing the checkride. All you need to do before hand is get your CASA license verified by the FAA. The FAA will then issue you with a confirmation letter and a deadline by which you need to complete your type rating checkride which doubles as your ATP checkride. It really is a quick and simple process. I have just been through this whole process and have been issued with my temporary FAA ATP certificate whilst I wait for the plastic card version to arrive in the mail. |
havick,
When I wrote : "I'm not aware of any operators here asking new hires to pay for their own training. Are you ?", I was asking if you might be aware of any regional requiring new hires to pay and not asking if YOU were PFT. :-))) I knew you weren't. Not terribly clear on my part...sorry for the confusion. There are so many regionals that it's hard to keep 'em all straight. I didn't know Envoy sent people to CAE for the ATP-CTP. Thanks for the info...and you too, VH DSJ. |
Hi guys and girls. Does anyone know if any Part 135 or Part 91 companies use the E3 visa at the moment? Have been watching this thread with much interest
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Originally Posted by mic310
(Post 9657331)
Hi guys and girls. Does anyone know if any Part 135 or Part 91 companies use the E3 visa at the moment? Have been watching this thread with much interest
:ok: There's no shortage of US takers for part135/91 gigs as they're using them as a means to get their mins for regionals. Unless you have a bunch of 802 air tractor firebombing time or some other specialist niche flying that a client contract requires then forget about it. Just build up your mins in Australia and then apply to one of the three regionals in the US that take E3's By the way, any 802 air tractor guys that have the mins to be carded as a level 1 USFS contractor pilot are making anywhere from 150-250k usd in a busy 6-7 month US fire season. $500/day standing rates and$500/flying hour |
There's a big shortage of GA multi-engine instrument instructors in the US as many have left for regionals or part 135/91 operations. One MEI student I know had to wait 3 months before they could find an instructor to finish his training. Even a 'career instructor' I know with over 12,000 hours of dual given has joined a regional just for the free jet type rating. Not many airlines around the world offer that these days, and by free, I mean absolutely free without bond or even minimum years of service.
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With Donald Trump "putting America first" I doubt any scheme offering jobs to foreigners will last very long. It would be a risky move indeed to move half way across the globe and then find the gate bolted shut.
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It has nothing to do with Trump. The FAA brought in the rule requiring 1500 hours and an ATP for a SIC Part 121. That meant that a High School graduate who wanted to fly in the airlines would have to find a job in something else at low pay for 8 years or so before even having an opportunity to apply for a job as a SIC in a Regional airline for 20K or slightly more a year. If a degree was included the time would be 4 years more and more debt.
So the inevitable happened and hardly any youngsters are interested in the career. The airlines, with so few young'uns available, have resorted to going after anybody with more than 1500 hours so long as they can breath unassisted and giving them jobs. There are precious few of them either, resulting in a severe shortage of pilots in the US and no sign this will ever sort itself out. I run a Part 135 operation and cannot find pilots, any age, sex, experience. Not good for me, and not good for you either, if I (and many others) go out of business there go the jobs. |
My thoughts exactly chimbu
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Originally Posted by mic310
(Post 9672136)
My thoughts exactly chimbu
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As I said in a previous post in the US forum Havick
Thanks for the advice Havick. I am getting a little night in OZ but very slow and 200 odd short on TT. I guess the latest visa/immigration talk from the states has a lot of us not knowing whether the E3 will be around or not in the near future. Hence my response to chimbu's comment. Good to see your right onto it:ok: |
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"One US recruiter has told clients a draft executive order being considered by Mr Trump would direct a wholesale review of a range of popular visas to assess whether foreign workers are disadvantaging American citizens..."
While it's impossible to predict what the kakistocracy will do, it's a tough sell to claim that Aussie pilots are "...disadvantaging American citizens..." by coming here to fly for a regional carrier. It's administratively easier for an airline to hire its own citizens than a foreign national and these airlines always look for the easy way out. So, if there were enough US nationals seeking (or able...or willing...to seek) the spots, they'd have no reason to turn to expats. Aussies don't get paid less than US citizens in the airline example; the pay is equally inadequate. |
Anyone reading this. Don't believe the nonsense that some of the people spread on this thread unless it comes from someone who has first hand experience.
SkyWest is definitely hiring Australians for positions. CRJ and ERJ. anyone who meets (or will meet) requirements by the time you complete sim. Also know that the FAA requirements require only 75 hours night depending on other conditions are met. Its an E3 visa Degree not required FAA license not required SkyWest pays for accommodation while completing license verification and CTP(MCC) course. They also pay for you to complete said course. Employing 60 pilots a fortnight |
Originally Posted by MR4051
(Post 9721269)
Also I've been in contact with ExpressJet and they're willing to sponsor an E3 visa.
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What a deal ! Will be able to buy 5 houses in the USA for the price of 1 in Sydney , where do I sign ?
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Originally Posted by Rabbitwear
(Post 9721544)
What a deal ! Will be able to buy 5 houses in the USA for the price of 1 in Sydney
looking at the skywest website you might need a second job $36.50 x 76 hours a month = $2774 gross x 12 months = $33 288 33 288 - 932.50 - 3595 = $28760 per annum NET after federal taxes (15%) about $550 a week. Use me up .... |
Originally Posted by Rabbitwear
(Post 9721544)
What a deal ! Will be able to buy 5 houses in the USA for the price of 1 in Sydney , where do I sign ?
From interview to being checked to line on the ERJ175 took me just under 6 months. No waiting on a hold file either ... get the jet experience quickly to open more doors and move on. The airline's check and training is well regarded in the industry too and many from SkyWest have gone on to the majors at a rate of 40 to 50 a month. |
Are there any airlines taking Aussies with over 3000 hours command on jets over 40,000Kg and over 500 hours command on A320?
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Originally Posted by novicef
(Post 9722547)
Are there any airlines taking Aussies with over 3000 hours command on jets over 40,000Kg and over 500 hours command on A320?
No Airbus operators will sponser a visa. If you can organise your own visa, then sure! Starting pay at Frontier is $39/hr with a 75 hour/month guarantee. Have at it! |
Are there many part 121 or 135 operators doing the E3 visa for Aussies? Or just a few?
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Originally Posted by Far Canel
(Post 9723565)
Are there many part 121 or 135 operators doing the E3 visa for Aussies? Or just a few?
It's hard to tell for sure as any carriers (apparently regionals) availing themselves of the E-3 supply don't advertise it as they would other employment parameters. You'd think they would if they're as hard up as alleged. My observation is anecdotal. I've even popped in on your AFAP website looking for some sign of activity on this Down There but have seen nothing. But if one were interested, shotgunning apps to all of them couldn't hurt. |
Originally Posted by going_up
(Post 9857614)
First time posting here. I would like to put a lot of things to rest. I was the fortunate one to have been the first E3 visa pilot hired by any airline in the US. That just so happened to be SkyWest Airlines. I have been with the company for more than 19 months now and have nothing but positive things to say about my quality of life here. I am sure that some users here will snicker and possibly have some negative comments regarding salaries, quality of life, and just flying in the US in general. Skywest currently has more than 30 Australian pilots on staff, and they have the E3 process down pat! Other regionals wouldn't have a bar of me going back to when I was applying, but Skywest actually took the time and listened.
For those of you those want more details, please PM me. I would be more than happy to link you a special application link, guide you, answer questions, and point you in the right direction. A few main points about Skywest. - They are an amazing employer, but far the best regional. If you speak with any American aviator, you will find they share the same opinion. - Your spouse & children are more than welcome! Your Spouse is also allowed to work in the US. - The flight benefits are amazing! I have the ability to fly for free on United, Delta and American! This does vary depending on the aircraft you operate and domicile. - The pay is more than enough! My first year, I made over 48K USD. Of which I was in training from January till April. That being said, if I flew a full year without training? 60K USD (75K AUD) as a second year FO! Keep in mind this includes my bonuses and I do work hard! - Cost of living in the US is MUCH CHEAPER than that of back home! The dollar goes much further here! - Current upgrade time to captain are 2 years or less if you are willing to take Detroit as a base. - American locals are awesome people! Great to fly with! I have learnt so much being here! - All your training is paid for by Skywest, they also provide accommodation and pay you while you train! Any questions, I can point you in the right direction for sure! Hope this helps! Anyone looking at doing the E3 thing in the US should goto Piedmont, simply for the fact it's an AA wholly owned airline and all the benefits that come with that as opposed to a contract airline. This is especially important with regards to travel benefits when trying to fly home to Aus or fly your folks across etc. I work for Envoy so I have no bias recommending Piedmont to anyone. They've also got their E3 process down pat. |
Originally Posted by havick
(Post 9858074)
Fishing for referral bonuses.
Anyone looking at doing the E3 thing in the US should goto Piedmont, simply for the fact it's an AA wholly owned airline and all the benefits that come with that as opposed to a contract airline. This is especially important with regards to travel benefits when trying to fly home to Aus or fly your folks across etc. I work for Envoy so I have no bias recommending Piedmont to anyone. They've also got their E3 process down pat. Referral bonus? I do get a bonus if I refer individuals. That being said, I am the guy that started this whole E3 visa pilot hiring. How do I know? I filled out apps two years ago for everyone. They all called within about three days. Once I told them I was on an E3, most didn't want to continue the conversation. Others attempted to research the E3 and kept claiming they needed to sponsor me. Skywest researched it and actually called me for clarification. Now, here we are! Now other regionals have caught on to it. Skywest is working on a specific area on our website for Aussie pilot recruitment. Short of giving you the guys name from QLD that had his offer rescinded from Piedmont last month, I don't know what else I could do to prove. Envoy was a great choice as I love Texas! But I already got the job with Skywest, it was a no brainer. Buddy of mine (Texan) started with Envoy and is loving the place so far! I was surprised to see Piedmont rescind the other Australian's offer as they are really hurting for pilots. I'm not in it for the money, I still consider myself lucky to have got this E3 pilot thing rolling. That being said, just PM for info, questions on anything. I do not care if you do not want me to refer you. I'm here because my passion lies with aviation and helping others enjoy this awesome avenue in life that I was so fortunate to have found. Take it as you will. I hope to hear from those interested. Fly safe and stay happy! |
Originally Posted by havick
(Post 9858074)
Fishing for referral bonuses.
Anyone looking at doing the E3 thing in the US should goto Piedmont, simply for the fact it's an AA wholly owned airline and all the benefits that come with that as opposed to a contract airline. This is especially important with regards to travel benefits when trying to fly home to Aus or fly your folks across etc. I work for Envoy so I have no bias recommending Piedmont to anyone. They've also got their E3 process down pat. Good luck to all that go to the USA and fly though. Good fun and plenty to learn. A very different world outside of oz. |
Originally Posted by stillcallozhome
(Post 9858417)
Mmmm... depends on which "contract" airline. Also, the best wholly owned depends on what month it is. When it comes to best benefits (I assume you're talking about travel) all the AAs have the same as mainline - first to check in, first on the list with that priority. Everyone will sit there with their hand on the mouse at 24hr and 1 min waiting. Pisses mainline peeps right off.
Good luck to all that go to the USA and fly though. Good fun and plenty to learn. A very different world outside of oz. That's my point AA wholly owned airlines have the same travel benefits as mainline as opposed to contract airlines i.e. Skywest, republic etc. which are at the back of the priority list. For an E3 Visa person working in the USA for a few years this can make a huge difference being able to visit family etc |
Just my two cents from someone also working in the US, from what I have heard, there are a lot more rejections for Visas at consulates than was happening 6-12 months ago.
Im sure a lot of it comes down to who you get on the day, but it does sound like the visa rejection rates may be getting a little higher than previously advertised. That said I have no doubt people are still getting approvals, I just wouldn't be going in assuming you will absolutely get the Visa approved and start packing my bags. Perhaps the screws are tightening a little on experience levels they expect? or maybe just more people having bad luck with who is assessing their applications, I honestly wouldn't know. Purely speculation. One of the lads I used to fly with who has a squeaky clean record and a good 4-5 years of experience and plenty of time etc... than needed got knocked back without reason at the consulate and that was after resigning from his current job! I know directly of two others as well under similar circumstances in the recent past. Common link was no degree and a few years short of what they supposedly "require" in lieu of a degree. Be smart and good luck! |
Originally Posted by hobo335
(Post 9858524)
Just my two cents from someone also working in the US, from what I have heard, there are a lot more rejections for Visas at consulates than was happening 6-12 months ago.
Im sure a lot of it comes down to who you get on the day, but it does sound like the visa rejection rates may be getting a little higher than previously advertised. That said I have no doubt people are still getting approvals, I just wouldn't be going in assuming you will absolutely get the Visa approved and start packing my bags. Perhaps the screws are tightening a little on experience levels they expect? or maybe just more people having bad luck with who is assessing their applications, I honestly wouldn't know. Purely speculation. One of the lads I used to fly with who has a squeaky clean record and a good 4-5 years of experience and plenty of time etc... than needed got knocked back without reason at the consulate and that was after resigning from his current job! I know directly of two others as well under similar circumstances in the recent past. Common link was no degree and a few years short of what they supposedly "require" in lieu of a degree. Be smart and good luck! |
Had a chat to a recruiter at SkyWest about this, and was told that a degree or 3 years aviation experience for every year of missing study was required.
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Interested.
Originally Posted by going_up
(Post 9858346)
And just how many E3 visa pilots are online with Piedmont? None!
Referral bonus? I do get a bonus if I refer individuals. That being said, I am the guy that started this whole E3 visa pilot hiring. How do I know? I filled out apps two years ago for everyone. They all called within about three days. Once I told them I was on an E3, most didn't want to continue the conversation. Others attempted to research the E3 and kept claiming they needed to sponsor me. Skywest researched it and actually called me for clarification. Now, here we are! Now other regionals have caught on to it. Skywest is working on a specific area on our website for Aussie pilot recruitment. Short of giving you the guys name from QLD that had his offer rescinded from Piedmont last month, I don't know what else I could do to prove. Envoy was a great choice as I love Texas! But I already got the job with Skywest, it was a no brainer. Buddy of mine (Texan) started with Envoy and is loving the place so far! I was surprised to see Piedmont rescind the other Australian's offer as they are really hurting for pilots. I'm not in it for the money, I still consider myself lucky to have got this E3 pilot thing rolling. That being said, just PM for info, questions on anything. I do not care if you do not want me to refer you. I'm here because my passion lies with aviation and helping others enjoy this awesome avenue in life that I was so fortunate to have found. Take it as you will. I hope to hear from those interested. Fly safe and stay happy! I have been doing some research on this and meet most of the mins they are all asking for. I'd love to hear your take on Skywest as a few mates have recently been hired there, but the longer term implications are what I am after... Cheers. |
Originally Posted by VHCookie monster
(Post 9860027)
G'day Going_up,
I have been doing some research on this and meet most of the mins they are all asking for. I'd love to hear your take on Skywest as a few mates have recently been hired there, but the longer term implications are what I am after... Cheers. Be wary of guys offering to refer you as they are usually getting a referral bonus. I work for envoy, we don't take E3 applicants hence why I can recommend Piedmont as the best E3 visa option un-biased. I'm not saying that Skywest is a bad company but overall once you get through training at Piedmont you will end up earning more, upgrading quicker and have much better travel benefits that come attached to working for an AA wholly owned regional. Basically to answer your question regarding long term implications of an E3 visa, unless you marry an American you will always be in immigration limbo having to renew your E3 visa every two years. No legacy/majors will hire you in the US without a green card or citizenship. An E3 visa is NOT a pathway to a green card unless you happen to meet someone you end up marrying while over here on your E3. The E3 is actually a great deal for the regionals because they know you can't move on to a major. That being said you will be in a position very quickly to be picked up by Middle East carriers or Chinese contracts after doing 2-3 years at a regional in the US |
Originally Posted by havick
(Post 9860047)
Piedmont is the best option for E3's with the mainline AA travel benefits as well as the higher pay and quicker upgrades. I think they have a slight training bubble with their current expansion but is being ironed out with the addition of new sims.
Be wary of guys offering to refer you as they are usually getting a referral bonus. I work for envoy, we don't take E3 applicants hence why I can recommend Piedmont as the best E3 visa option un-biased. I'm not saying that Skywest is a bad company but overall once you get through training at Piedmont you will end up earning more, upgrading quicker and have much better travel benefits that come attached to working for an AA wholly owned regional. Basically to answer your question regarding long term implications of an E3 visa, unless you marry an American you will always be in immigration limbo having to renew your E3 visa every two years. No legacy/majors will hire you in the US without a green card or citizenship. An E3 visa is NOT a pathway to a green card unless you happen to meet someone you end up marrying while over here on your E3. The E3 is actually a great deal for the regionals because they know you can't move on to a major. That being said you will be in a position very quickly to be picked up by Middle East carriers or Chinese contracts after doing 2-3 years at a regional in the US |
Originally Posted by VHCookie monster
(Post 9860048)
Very interesting. Any chance you can PM me your email and we can chat further. If you don't mind... :ok:
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Originally Posted by havick
(Post 9860057)
Check your PM's
I have created an email [email protected] I am able to answer any questions regarding coming across to Skywest on the E3 visa. I can assure you that a 3 year degree, or a degree of any nature is not the be all and end all. You are required to have a 4 year degree or its equivalent (12 years work experience in the specified field of work). How does this work? For every year of tertiary study, it equates to 3 years work experience. For example, you took 2 years of full time study to become a commercial pilot with all the bells and whistles. You would need another 6 years work experience equivalent. To the US consulates credit, they do honestly look at things on a case by case basis. We only had one guy knocked back, the simple reason as they he did not wait to receive his paperwork for Skywest and did not have the required documentation to have the visa approved. I am sorry for the late reply. As I said, I ned to with this and just decided to look up and see what the "web" is saying about our recent recruitment of more than 30 plus Australians. |
Originally Posted by going_up
(Post 9860987)
I am so sorry. I wrote to PPrune regarding me not being able to receive PMs.
I have created an email [email protected] I am able to answer any questions regarding coming across to Skywest on the E3 visa. I can assure you that a 3 year degree, or a degree of any nature is not the be all and end all. You are required to have a 4 year degree or its equivalent (12 years work experience in the specified field of work). How does this work? For every year of tertiary study, it equates to 3 years work experience. For example, you took 2 years of full time study to become a commercial pilot with all the bells and whistles. You would need another 6 years work experience equivalent. To the US consulates credit, they do honestly look at things on a case by case basis. We only had one guy knocked back, the simple reason as they he did not wait to receive his paperwork for Skywest and did not have the required documentation to have the visa approved. I am sorry for the late reply. As I said, I ned to with this and just decided to look up and see what the "web" is saying about our recent recruitment of more than 30 plus Australians. As it stands right now the best company in the US for an E3 visa applicant is Piedmont. I fly for Envoy (on a green card), therefor I can make the recommendation of Piedmont totally un-biased as I don't work for them and as such don't receive a 5k bonus cheque for getting bums on seats. |
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