I just read ALPA's press release. US airlines have seen the biggest pay rises in history and even Frontier is now paying a $35k sign on bonus. Yet ALPA say E3's are hold down wages? What planet are they on?

Covid affected the inflation and stock bubble more than any president could dream of. WW3 I dunno, maybe Trump would have gone and given Vlad a good slap on the face and told him to cut the crap.

JFrontier are pigeon holed in a corner, having a hard time recruiting and additionally keeping the ones they have. My guess is they’ll get picked off by southwest.

Look at Atlas. E3’s make alot of their recruitment numbers now, which without that they’d arguably have to increase the pay. E3’s are also taking fractional/corporate jobs at lower pay than the market so I’m with ALPA on this.

I saw a statement on APC (I think) that Allegiant Airlines is hiring E3s. It didn't offer any documentation of that nor have I found anything concrete to verify. Anyone know anything ?

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Here you go. I don't know anything more than the screenshot, which I saw on FB.

DYS,

Thanks. That's pretty "concrete" !! I'm not on FB which explains why I couldn't find it. As of yesterday, it wasn't on Allegiant's pilot-hiring site.

They also appear to be taking Chilean and Singaporean nationals. Here's one of the links I found perusing APC.

https://jobs.lever.co/allegiantair/2...8-0933fea66b75

I've also heard rumors of other carriers looking at Chilean, Singaporean and Canadian nationals. I'm not sure what visas, or why those particular nationalities, but that definitely adds fuel to Alpa's fire.

And if Trump had won a second term, we'd still be where we are now. Your point being?

DYS,

I suppose those mentioned nationalities have an existing, proven visa track in place ? I have no idea what visa Canadians would be using. I think I tried to research that one time but got frustrated and gave up. But if Canadians are employable, I'd think the airlines would hit that hard since the license conversion is relatively easy...and there appear to be lots of Canadians to be had.

The Allegiant thread on APC addressing this subject gave me a chuckle with one guy speculating that, "Maybe they ran out of Aussies." Gotta keep laughing, right ?

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...nationals.html

My employer, a legacy Australian carrier recently had a guy no-show for a 737 F/O course because he had started at Atlas, and another hold file guy declined a job because of the now poor starting pay. That has caused a lot of welcome discussion at work, and evidence of how weak bargaining has eroded our conditions to the point that we are now a “second choice” job.

The same thing is happening across the street apparently, and quite a few guys are now openly speculating about quitting.

I think Australian airline management will ensure that the well of Australian pilots will never run dry.

I agree. The principle is the same worldwide: seats will be filled and airplanes will be flown...regardless.

I just thought the comment about running out of Aussies was funny.

I've got a mate at American Airlines that wants to flow to Envoy, check the sign on bonus there now :cool:

To a certain extent I actually think that might be the direction that we're currently headed though, as improbable as it seems. I know for a fact there are left seat folks from VA who are throwing in the towel for a shot at the American dream, and I've heard rumblings of folks leaving the career destination as well. Even if you have to make a stop at a regional now, the amount of money on offer is eye-watering.

If anyone is still in doubt about the disparity between careers at home vs here, you need not look further than the latest Alaska TA. They nailed down some excellent quality of life improvements and some relatively solid pay increases. If nothing else, hopefully this will inspire some fight from the folks holding down the home front.

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Direct Entry Captains for PSA Airlines
It might calm down ALPA a bit ...

Talked to a mate of mine, who’s been doing interviews for the past few years. We discussed the decrease in experience that my Chicago based legacy is seeing amongst interview candidates and his comment was a surprise…..”We’re going to have to start looking at Aussies, Kiwis, Brits and Euros, if we want to maintain the experience level”. The main issue is ALPA but it shows it’s being discussed at the US legacies. If it happens and it’s a big if, it has the potential to decimate Australian aviation. QF and VA simply couldn’t match the T+C’s we’d be offering.

Been lurking and enjoying the evolution, wish this sort of stuff was happening a few decades ago!

Questions:
- are PSA taking on/sponsoring external Captains or is it solely sourcing First Officers some of whom may (possibly) commence a Captain's course the first day they step through the door?
- what are the age restrictions for domestic US operations?

Apologies if asked before, things changing - and improving - at a great rate or so it seems.

Thanks, cheers

Kenny,

Your friend's comment is very interesting...especially since he's doing interviews. His comment that "...if we want to maintain the experience level." is a critical qualifier.

I can't forecast anything with certainty but will venture a guess that the legacies will accept lower experience levels vs the wildcard of pilots hired on renewable visas that are subject to political whims...and may be cancelled when it suits some political harlots. There may be some comforting certainty in being able to bring along lower-time pilots vs risking training cost and line utilization in accepting some 2K hour regional ATPs in lieu of visa holders ?

Your employer hired people with minimal hours in the 1960s and they worked out very well long term. True enough, they sat on the F/E seat and watched for a couple of years but that form of learning has limited utility. And today, there are learning avenues that may equal or exceed that (simulators, etc.). Eventually, there's no substitute for grabbing the bull by the horns and flying it. And people have done that successfully with limited total time but under controlled circumstances.

This is really fun to watch.

They are already pretty close to taking the 2000 hour ATPs. Markets dictate everything here. We don't need turbine command time or a degree any more. I wouldn't be surprised if it got to the point where we were taking fresh ATPs.

Of course if US legacies somehow ended up looking abroad for pilots, it would send ripples through Australian aviation. People are already bailing out of QF ground school to go to Atlas.