Individual contracts yes so some differences however Pilat is pretty spot on. Based on a sample size of 2 from the their respective mouths. What was interesting though was that both of them weren't sure what additional T and C's eg. dha, overnight allowances, food allowances etc they would be getting.

Why do they require Australian ATPLs as a minimum requirement when they are operating NZ bases? Are the aircraft ZK or VH registered?

VH- registered under Eastern's AOC.

Australian company
Australian AOC
VH Reg
Australian ATPL
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NZ Pay and conditions

Wouldn't expect a command within 5-7 years on the A320

Elise,

1st year A320 FO : $97,000 base + $3,000 when Queenstown qualified.
Overtime above 65 hours per month of $130 per hour
Overnight allowance of approx $120 per 24 hours.
No DTA at this stage.
Performance bonus can be paid when the company feels like it, they have had one paid in the last 3 years.
5 weeks leave + stats (8 days).
Staff travel in line with Qantas policy so is quite good, very cheap domestically in NZ.
5 years probably about right for a command but that could reduce due to an expected exodus of Qantas guys back to mainline over the next 18 months.

Contract expires March 2016 so I believe NZALPA and Jetstar about to open negotiations. Expect 3% on all of those numbers...... Possibly!

Since it's a NZ based position why is there a need to have a current Aus IR to apply. Providing you have an Australian part 61 ATPL and IR then a check can surly be done in the sim - which your going to have to do reguardless if successful. If your current in NZ and flying commercially surly that would surfice, nobody has a spare few thousand lying around "just in case" when your already current. An ILS is the same at Auckland as it is in Sydney.
And would anybody know of a bridging course that can be done in NZ or Aus via corrospondace for the Maths and English equipment that is now needed:ugh:

Terms and conditions
 

Just to add to the mix.

I applied to Jetstar a couple of months ago. I'm a captain at Air Nelson, ttfo (do a search) by Air New Zealand so looking for other options. Got a fairly quick response to my application - asked to take the online psych test ($187). No details on salary, prospects etc, so at this stage I phoned Jetstar in Australia. I got straight through to the HR person - had a quick chat then she put me on to the pilot recruiter. Basically they are setting up a similar structure to Air New Zealand/Air Nelson. They are setting up a turboprop operation, no connection to the jets, no common seniority list etc. Salary is about the same as Air Nelson. Didn't really talk about other terms and conditions - I did say I thought they would be lucky to get captains without a common seniority list (I emailed Grant Kerr, head of Jetstar NZ) with the same opinion, but didn't get any reply.

May be a good option for people looking to get a quick command. If I were them though, with no ties to N z, I'd apply to Emirates. There is a big, exciting, well paid world beyond NZ.

Hope this helps

Ha had do search ttfo and laughed (sorry). I get the impression they are struggling to find captains, I've heard of a few people being offered DEC's with little to no experience in that type of operation. Though I think one of their biggest setbacks is the Auckland only base.

In this day and age, regional turboprop earnings are simply not adequate enough to live in Auckland. Even the ones they have will be looking to move upwards because it's simply unaffordable,- so high turnover.

I think they would do better at getting / retaining crews if they could base them in the regions (the Napiers/Nelsons, hell even the Christchurchs & Wellingtons). The planes are all going to be overnighting there anyway surely there would be more advantage in the long run with having crews based in the regions. And air nelson shutting down regional bases I'm sure there are plenty of dash skippers who don't want move their family to the big smoke and rather jump on the jetstar bandwagon if it means staying put...

What are the chances ?

I agree, Corkey - I really question Air NZ's decision to withdraw provincial crew basing, and as you say, it could be a big advantage to JetStar if they went that way. Any chance would hinge on the operation being proved viable, and expansion to say 15+ frames IMO - but even then, JetStar are more cut-throat and less socially responsible than Air NZ, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

The bean counters would do well to better evaluate the non-monetary benefits of multiple bases (good corporate citizenship, retention of quality crew, reduced training costs), but even speaking solely in dollar terms - you don't have to pay crew as much if they live in the regions! This gets washed out a bit if Auckland is one of your main bases, but having only main-center bases will undoubtedly flow through to higher labour costs overall (per crew member I mean, which would offset the reduced numbers to some extent). You could even offer cost of living-weighted salaries - then pilots who really want to live in the regions could put their money where their mouths are.

So Jetstar are now up and running with the -8s, anyone know how it's all going ?

Any updates on the Ts & Cs, $$, allowances, crew requirements, anything ?

Is that why the OTP is appalling?

I guess all positions have been filled by now?

They are not likely to retain much of their customer base if they can't get their OTP right.

Even the jet fleet is having OTP problems.

Jbrownie, from what I have heard, yes. I believe they are winding back on services because they don't have enough pilots; especially Captains. Like a lot of operators in the Australiasia part of the world, they're screaming for guys.
As I understand it, a combination of Chinese and Emirati carriers ramping up recruitment due growth, as well as baby boomers beginning to retire, means that there will be plenty of opportunities for a while to come, unless something drastic happens like outbreak of war or another SARS event. Take your pick of operators.