JETGO Cancel Sydney - Roma - Sydney
 

Notwithstanding the rationale behind the decision, how do you get to within 10 days of launching and wind up in this position!?

To my knowledge there is no head of sales and marketing, a role which does a lot to eliminate this very situation.

RPT is a marketing exercise more than anything else. With respect, these guys aren't marketers and without seriously skilled people, backed by substantial capital, Jetgo will simply mush along like a stalling Cherokee. That would be such a shame.

And I'm not in the camp that says leave them alone, they're having a go etc. etc. Not at this level. This is the big league, where staff, customers and suppliers depend on good management to make great decision every day. Whether Jetgo managers realise it or not, they are marketing their business in every action they undertake. And, most importantly, people buy why you do what you do, not what you do.

When you market well you sell well, and when you sell well you create revenue. Delayed launch dates, delayed aircraft arrivals, a cancelled route announcement - terrible public relations. It may not mean game over just yet, but certainly its not game on either.

Sorry, but I think they've missed the resources boat.

How much longer before construction is finished at Curtis I? Your lucky to need 10% of construction workforce numbers to run LNG.

Jet Stop!
 

Abandon RPT altogether or they won't survive. Simply can't put small jets on turbo prop sectors and compete.
The business has no commercial management so Not sure who has done the research, due diligence etc and would suggest they replace them before it's to late

"Not sure who has done the research, due diligence etc and would suggest they replace them before it's to late"

Justa Dash, be sure to discuss this with them when you have your interview with them after your Dash 8 gig closes up the end of the year. Something about stones and glass houses come to mind. Jetgo are at least interviewing the Brisbane Skytrans guys and gals whom have applied in an attempt to keep them employed and mortgages paid... What a F***** Grub, have a heart to your fellow aviators out there before you go bagging the opposition.. as if the industry isn't unsettled enough..

Mcdonal makes a good point and so does Justa Dash. Bagthrower, you lost me at 'What a F***** Grub'.

a business decision had to be made
 

12/10 Announce Sydney Roma new route start 11/11
09/11 Postpone Sydney Aroma new route start 1/12
20/11 Announce axe of Sydney Roma new route

Axing of Roma service cannot be blamed on "a slow response of bookings" or can it be blamed on the "decline of future projects". The decision to start services to Roma would be "one that has not been made lightly". A "decline in future projects" would have been news when the new route was initially announced.

The axing of Roma route is down to a flawed business decision, which has been made lightly, with poor commercial planning, and weak sales promotion - ask a travel agent...

Hope the planning for the other routes is better thought through.

Who at Jetgo is the network planner, revenue planner, commercial planner? - the buck stops with you!

Am trying Gladstone route on the first week! Don't cancel it boys!

Another thing to consider is passengers and their Qantas Club (and lesser extent Virgin Lounge) membership. Many Roma and Gladstone fluro-shirt travellers won't give these perks up to fly with another airline, even if there are slight cost or time advantages.


And yes, Jetgo's promotion has been very average - the only thing I've seen is the odd Faceb00k post about it.

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Jetgo are at least interviewing the Brisbane Skytrans guys and gals whom have applied in an attempt to keep them employed and mortgages paid... What a F***** Grub, have a heart to your fellow aviators out there before you go bagging the opposition

Thanks for your kind words Bagthrower, would seem that my constructive post is consistent with the theme of this thread, perhaps you may have misconstrued the message somewhat!

Never mind, no won't be leaving the fishing up here, 340 or 1900 will afford the lifestyle I prefer thanks

Seemed to work in the USA and Europe!

I was in RMA just recently and they were all over the radio, newspaper and billboards.

The brakes have come on in Roma much quicker than expected and caught a lot of people by surprise. I was talking to a rental car guy and he was saying they are hurting badly.

Small jets on turboprop routes only worked because they had the support of large major airlines but has fuel prices started to increase most of the CRJ's/ERJ's have been replaced with turboprops (Q400's) or larger jets to lower the seat mile cost.

perhaps security at RMA end would have cost a fortune, with minimum hours etc.

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Talking to the Roma ground staff the other day, they said that several of the first flights had little (under 9) to no passengers booked.

Spot on, and the fact that the greedy council refused to cut them a break on the passenger tax's of $43 per person PLUS a landing fee of $370...

Is it the local shire council's obligation to subsidise start up airlines at the risk of upsetting those established operators currently paying full whack and providing reliable service?
Not with my rates, thank you. Level playing fields, user pays and all that.
Due diligence would mean they should have known the costs. What they apparently badly miscalculated was the demand. Low loads are usual when a start up airline kicks off. The public have been burned often enough in the past to want proof of reliability before they will change their travel patterns.
Very deep pockets needed here, me hearties.

Jetgo would have known the fees before they announced the route, so you can't blame the council.

This surprise downturn was forecast over a year ago
Same as for GLA

Jetgo USA I hear? Aircraft heading off shore or expansion ?

JetGo Australia's new US venture, JetGo America gets first E135 - ch-aviation.com :ok:

Nice way to find a home for the Oz leased machines that don't have a home I guess. Leasing companies can be vicious if you try and break the lease and hand back early....

I wonder how they'll meet these conditions:

To be a U.S. certificate holder -- Part 135 or 121 -- the operator needs to be:


a) President a U.S. citizen


b) actually under control of American citizens


c) 75% of voting stock owned by American entities at least 51% controlled by American citizens


d) foreigner can hold up to 49% of stock, if 25% is non-voting


e) regulations are silent on debt and lessor, but if commonly acknowledged that company is being manipulated by JetGo Australia, it will be found to be in violation of law, and they can ask Sir Richard Branson for advice on how to get out of that pickle, as USDOT made Virgin American remove its US citizen president because he was recruited and taking orders from Sir Richard, and not acting independently enough in their view.

Ever owned a company of any sort TBM? Your ignoranance is astounding and you're stupid enough to put it in print. Nuf said.

Why would you launch two airlines at the same time in two very distant parts of the world? How does this boost the prospects of success in Australia particularly as US operators are parking these machines?

With so many new announcements altering the plans & course of this business, it wouldn't come as a surprise if customers, suppliers and prospective staff start to question its viability and in turn whether to pay, supply or join this operation.

If it does go pear shaped they had better pay back every cent to anyone who's owed money and it will not have failed from a lack of opportunities.

JETGO USA

I have heard they are just about to get their FAA 135 certificate and in the short term are operating through FUGA, they have picked up a few contracts with the Casinos. Work in Australia is on the decline. Saw their aircraft the other day and its nicely done with GOGO wifi and 30 business class seats in it. Also heard they are cross training crew to be able to fly in both companies.. Certainly different

www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/33093-jetgo-australias-new-us-venture-jetgo-america-gets-first-e135"

No disrespect to the guys but one has to wonder about stability and whats really going on.........................

1) First saying they'll never go RPT and stick to what they do best
2) Embraer 145 (arriving in May? Now November)
3) 3 x Embraer 140's (Any arrived yet? Due in August)
4) Announcing RPT & routes
5) Cancelling certain RPT sectors within weeks of proving flights and first flight
6) New offshore set up

Good luck to them though, a unique product! And great aircraft to fly

perhaps they should do similar to www.ultimateairshuttle.com


They do fixed priced sectors from smaller airports using Dornier 328 jets which are 30 something seats.


No hassles.


Free car parking right at terminal. No security, so queues for anything. Very few congestion delays if anything.

I see no different from Jetgo to VA/Tiger/JQ with the amount of deferred aircraft etc(every airline is doing it), and if they can make money somewhere else while things are slow good on them, especially if it means people can keep their jobs(regardless of were that base is). And our majors are supposed to be run by professionals as well.

No, you don't owe any justification to pprune readers, so why bother with that bs response.

"whereas even our sim is in the US, our HOTAC is American, the shareholders are US citizens is a no brainer.."

Why did you start up here then?

'whereas even our sim is in the US, our HOTAC is American, the shareholders are US citizens is a no brainer..'

Sounds great if they want to start a US airline. But wait a minute, aren't they starting an Australian airline? So now it appears the time, resources and energy needed to successfully launch the AUSTRALIAN RPT service has been diluted to prepare for the newly announced scheme to launch another service in the US.

What nonsense.

As for Jetgo justifying every move on this forum - DON"T! Get off this forum, get back to work and follow through on the commitments you've announced. No one here will make you any money or build you a loyal customer base. You won't either if you keep trashing your brand by failing to deliver.

People buy why you do what you do, not what you do. Why does Jetgo do what it does? Seems to be to pop up/ close down when there appears to be relatively quick easy money to be made.


No one buys that!

Some unbelievably stupid comments STILL going on in this thread. The usual crop of poppy-cutters and Administrative Marvels still sniping away, as if they had some superior knowledge of another company's actions.

ANCPER want to know why Jetgo didn't buy their own simulator. DUH! Sims are seriously expensive, and how much more will it cost to run one under CASA's dopey new rules which won't even allow ANY new ATPL tests because nobody is qualified to conduct them under the new rules.

I worked for a man who had cubic dollars and could afford to buy a thousand sims for his helicopters and jet, but economically it made far more sense to send me business class around the world via Miami to do the annual sim training. That is where the sim is, that is where the qualified people are, that is where the answer is.

Why did they set up here? Ask yourself the same question - why are YOU still here?

Sounds like the boys know what they're doing, we all just need to back off and give em a go

Line up for these chaps...

For that, read they are cash flow critical and need a public subscription to try and stay afloat. :suspect:

Credit only lasts so long before the administrators move in.

Dale Hardale
 

It Seems Dale that your supreme inside knowledge of other airlines and their finances stem back right to your earlier posts of 'bagging' other airlines other than than the one you fly at, like this one above.

Hows EK's finances going? or aren't you allowed into the finance department at Dubai ?:D Leave JG alone they just hired a few people from Sktrans... Even if they dont make it in this F*** industry they are at least keeping people in jobs homes / families intact in the meantime... FFS what is wrong with people here

DH's comment re VB and TT was probably reasonable at the time it was made. The goal posts have changed since then.


Anyone who goes to the market for so called "expansion", is I would have thought, looking for cash. Desperation ?


Let's wait and see what happens.

DH was fundamentally correct in that there are essentially two camps. Just got the combinations wrong.

QF/JQ and VA/TT

The reality is that JetGo doesn't make any sense and never has just like SkyAirWorld didn't in the not too distant past and we know the history of that little cherry.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong on this one.

Ascend Charlie,

You should rename yourself "Right Charlie". If you had any comprehension you wouldn't be drawing the wrong conclusions. I wasn't asking why they didn't have a sim here, it was in response to Jetgo Management's post which has since been removed.

Quote 'whereas even our sim is in the US, our HOTAC is American, the shareholders are US citizens is a no brainer..'

If alarm bells aren't ringing over Roma get a new clock. A number of posters pointed out that it would be a difficult road and that looks likely, unfortunate as that is for the employees and investors. If you have a stick your head in the sand attitude that's your choice and if you don't like it that ppruners comment on a start-up like JG, bad luck as this is what the site is for, rumours and comment.

Again, I hope Roma is a non-event and that JG continue etc, but unfortunately it looks a little dark.

Better than having your head up your @rse, which is where most posters on this thread have theirs.

All these self-proclaimed experts who can forecast what JetGo can or cannot achieve, have NFI what is really going on, with this particular company or business in general.

Leave your d1cks alone, sit back, and enjoy the show.

wheredidwhogo-I think you've met your opposition

Spot on Ascend Charlie

Ascend Charlie,

I'm sure you have a far better idea than me what an arse will hold. I think you should take your own advice. :)

Rightly or wrongly history is on the side of the knockers, very few make it out of the gate.