Skytrans TMR Contracts
 

So Skytrans has lost the TMR contracts.... Sad day for all the good guys and gals in the company!!! Interesting times ahead :{

Cactusjack? What's the goss

It has only just happened. I believe REX has got them all...

QLink has retained BNE-BCI/BKQ-LRE and BNE-RMA-CTL. With all LRE and RMA sectors to be on the Q400.

In saying REX has them all I mean all of the ones Skytrans had...

Is this the end of skytrans?

Not sure.... Management is having a crisis meeting today.

What's left Rio charters? Ad hoc?

Skytrans TMR Contracts
 

Can someone please fill me in as to what 'TMR' is?

DTMR - Department of Transport & Main Road, in otherwords qld government

Skytrans TMR Contracts
 

Transport and Main Roads - regional Government runs. Without those subsidised routes, Skytrans will find it almost impossible to survive. Sad for the hard working staff but inevitable due mainly to the ineffective and egotistical 'leadership' over the past few years which has brought them to this conclusion.

Sad indeed
 

The link attached
Http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/travel-and...-services.aspx

For those not aware Sir John Wild passed away late yesterday, in the grand scheme of things made a wonderful contribution to aviation among many other things in PNG. The family will obviously be grieving, How about you all stop putting the boot in for the time being?

and the winners are:

Somebody call my name? I knew the contracts were lost a few days ago, as alluded to on another thread. I've nothing new to add other than what goes around comes around. It's all over red rover.

What a farce that RMA isnt deregulated. Campbell Newman is in QFs pocket....

It's the Roma Council that wants QF. Cando Campbell has nothing to do with it....

Agreed Chazdat. What a joke! :rolleyes: TBM I think you'll find Campbell had just as much to do with it as the council did.

Be very interesting to see how many the RMA council members have been 'gifted' QF Platinum/Chairmans Lounge access.

Great that we have opened up that busy route of TSV-CNJ-ISA to deregulation, but the poor folks at RMA can enjoy greater frequency than SYD gets at times, but airfares that would get you to Perth.

We get the government we deserve they say...this moab looks Sir Joh look squeaky clean!

Vale Sir John Wild.
A good man!

Who wants to go to Roma anyway? The previous mob instigated those routes...

Very sad news indeed about Sir John - he will be missed for sure.

Sorry to here Skytrans lost the TMW Contracts - not a good week for the group at all

TBM, Romanians? :\

It's never good when an airline "reassures" its staff....

Sustainability
 

TMR would have been diligent with the assessment process. In doing so would have discovered a lip service approach to safety, a complete lack of industry experience within the senior management team and grave concerns over the ability to articulate their pricing model. TMR did not determine the outcome on price were this the case status quo would have remained. TMR based on the data gleaned through the assessment process would have been justifiably concerned about the sustainability of Skytrans.
Once upon a time this business had competent senior management across the key departments, during the negotiation stages with TMR this team would have drawn TMRs attention to the equipment differences. SAAB developed for the northern hemisphere are great cold weather aeroplane for 5 months the summer temperatures in the areas of operation will preclude the SAAB from operating with greater than 26 pax with normal baggage, the lack of APU and therefore airconditioner's on turns present a major HSE exposure for pax, the 35-40 minute sector lengths will create battery temp and therefore start issues. This on the 8 sector western runs will cause delays pushing duty to point of ports being overflown. None of this is fantasy, rather fact based on Macair history. The Dh8 has demonstrated outstanding reliability for 5 plus years and in the gulf doubled the patronage based on it's better hot and high performance. The current class of Skytrans managers will gain this knowledge from reading this post.
In a two horse race Skytrans lost this job and REX secured it by default. The management need to accept this rather than push the poor me, government don't buy local emotional tripe.
Move on and address the problems they have created for themselves and either pack up or engage a team that is capable of turning the business around.
For it's part The government needs to start grooming an operator for the cape in the event the encumbent continues with the behaviours of the recent past.
Good to see REX have already engaged some of the competent team that HR masters degree holder let go in order to assemble the current crack commercial squad at Slytrans!

I feel for David and Sue Barnard who built up the Skytrans name from a couple of choppers and a Seneca. Once the pinnacle of GA in Australia and now just another failed wannabe airline. Very sad.

REX have approval for single engine turn arounds, so no need for APU's. The QLD government is trying to save money (about to lease out assets) and the Saab 340 is far cheaper to operate than a Dash 8 and therefore less money the government has to fork out.

Tender documents provided the load data for all routes, gulf service is over 22k per annum if you do the math it becomes evident that seats in summer will be compromised.

Hot turns don't work at remote fuel stops of which there are many, as per yhe Macair days, starter generators, many more HSI and engine over temps will increase as they will find out in time. Can mitigate to a point with GPU's in all ports, will still have cabin temp issues.

The tender info will eventually become available under FOI protocols, fairly confident it will confirm price was not the basis for the result.

Skytrans TMR Contracts
 

TMR would have done their due diligence and based their decision on a number of factors including safety and sustainability. Skytrans would not have been strong in either respect and renewing their contact would have been akin to engaging another MacAir - we all know what happened there.

I agree with Justadash, the 'poor me' approach is simply their way of hiding the truth, that they simply weren't the best airline for the job. Once upon a time, they would have been but company instability, a decrease in OTP and a poor financial situation has changed things. It's as simple as that.

Macair went belly up, when sold to a real estate developer who tried to take on the big red rat & lost !!!

...and further more (to Deafstar) David and Sue Barnard sold the Skytrans name and ops very nicely with big smiles and hand shakes all'round. They did very well just quietly. It was the merge of QRA into Inland Pacific and Skytrans operations thereafter that was a "dogs breakfast", that made people cringe.

word is Rex tendered a big fat zero to do the runs. therefore buying the work. comments about the aircraft not being up to the task are spot on. Great job TMR!

Rex have been operating 340B(WT) in North Queensland for 5 years with no issues. They operate them in other parts of Aus that are a little hot as well. These aircraft are nothing like the earlier models which definitely had WAT issues. Also; unlike Macair they invest heavily in GSE to support their aircraft and will probably have more supporting one run that Macair had across their network.

This is a poor result for Skytrans but guess what....contracts aren't signed for life and anyone who expects them to go forever shouldn't be in business. I am sure Skytrans always factored this possibility.

Copythis; you can always do a FOI and find out. I wouldn't be following the party line that they bought the contracts. Rex are considerably more efficient and cheaper than other SAAB operators let alone Dash 8 operators, I'd start there.

Cactus - what's the latest?

101 potential job losses I read today

Cactusjack appears to have disappeared off pprune....there has been no updates on his skytrans for a while

Maybe the reality of 100+ jobs being lost shut the idiot up!

He predicted what has happened, he didn't cause it, and from the post's I read (my interest is due to friends up there) I can't see that he would enjoy the result.

Sadly it seems that those 2/3rd level airlines eventually go down that track.

Fair comment square bear, CJ was just the messenger! Interesting the cairns post article suggested the 101 jobs would go before Xmas but the ""contract loss" that caused this downsizing doesn't cease until the new year. It also quotes MD advising that the difference in price is $300k not sure in favour of which operator but regardless the govt would not change on basis of $300K price difference. Something missing from the story, perhaps?
Apparently they will be scaling back to old days of charter ops only. Makes sense as this was where they were well regarded. Rex or maybe westwing with 1900's will likely look to assume the NPA/cape work.

Well priced aircraft for sale, this maybe the last bit of silver.

DHC-8-102 FOR SALE OR LEASE - C&L Aviation Group

Simon's perspective on the matter.

maybe the new Bankstown to Melbourne operation might come to Skytrans partial rescue ?


Noticed photo of Skytrans Dash 8 in Bankstown story.


Can a dash 8-300 get in & out of Bankstown ?