is this the end of QF INT ?
 

$1499 from OZ to LAX return at Xmas, the busiest time of the year.


Things must be really bad.


If they can't sell seats Boxing day to LAX what chance has QF INT of surviving in any form ?


What happens if JQ takes over more QF INT routes ?


In a previous thread someone suggest Flight Centre in NZL were selling AKL/LAX return for $999 but this wouldn't have been peak season, ie. departing mid-late DEC or early JAN.

How many seats are available at this price?

I think you will find it is just marketing doing their job. :ugh:

Another thread that can be closed please moderators.! :ok:

it's peak season & there are lots of seats. Might only be short duration sale, but it sends a terrible message, ie. we can't sell enough seats so we have to dump them.



You've even got Air Asia & Scoot dumping seats & they are profitable, unlike poor old QF INT.


Wouldn't want to be a QF INT pilot.

No fear of that........that's what the psych test is for. :E



Do we really need another QF pilot bashing thread???? Mods?

Not sure. But its a sad indictment on individuals that continually feel the need to put this rubbish on these forums. There are plenty of us that know the short comings of what is going on in QF at the moment but to just sledge from the sidelines is just twisted and lacks any sort of empathy towards guys through no direct fault of their own will be demoted or worse made redundant.

I ask the question, what sick individuals take satisfaction from this? :ugh:

$4900 across the pond at Xmas a bit further south. Doing ok there with no competition.

BNEA

I fly to LA from Melb every 2nd year in early Jan so keep an eye on prices.
I get a stream of emails from Qantas, weekly with special offers incl these type.

However, as Stalins said, probably marketing doing a job using a loss leader, short time offer.

GF went to book flights to Adelaide the other day, advertised $39 each way. It was $99 each way by the time you added all the charges.

I reckon $1499 would be $2000 by the end f the transaction !

And I booked a Virgin return flight to Adelaide, 2 weeks from now & was $208 inclusive. It's on a full service airline that treats it's staff with respect ;)

I've also got a flight to LA booked 6 weeks from now, I paid more than $1500 and was happy to, I won't travel Qantas whilst the midget is CEO ;)

Perhaps they are expecting a new agreement with the pilots to be up by then. Hence saving the company a fortune, returning to big profits and big bonuses for the smartest guys in the room.:\

I am with Jack on the midget.
Why don't the unions do some research on former rat passengers who would return if he was banished to anywhere but here

My money is on a very strong vote from those that count, the slf as support for staff who also are prepared to trade off benefits for productivity provided he and his team don't get to take the savings in bonuses.

Agreed, a complete waste of valuable hard-drive space in the vaults of PPRUNE.

Ken, the fares I've paid for are full service old mate ;) the 'extras' you pay for on Virgin you pay for on Qantas.

ohallen, I have family overseas, I travel quite a bit, all of my travel used to be Qantas, NONE of it is now and I'll quite happily show all my receipts, I refuse to travel Qantas while Joyce is CEO. I know of businessmen who have done the same with their travel accounts, it'd be interesting to count the cost.

Its not just QF with the cheap seats
VA ex AKL/LAX RT $999NZD
DL ex AKL/JFC RT $1349 AKL/SFO RT $1249 all available via Flightcentre

Should say AKL/JFK not JFC

cnsnz

If you are being quoted that at Blight Centre then will be lucky to either get that price in the 1st place due to alleged lack of availability or be upsold to a higher product or could get it cheaper elsewhere.

Please remember these dudes are on commission over a low base salary.

That is why you do not get the actual e ticket with the fare construction on it.

That is something you can legally demand - try it!

If the Captain out front is plastic, it's a fair chance the crew are facsimilies as well.

Caveat emptor.

Best all

EWL

Having operated from Aust to LAX over the Christmas/New Year period for the last 4 years, I can assure you that it is not the busiest time of the year on that route, especially from the 25th-27th. Last Christmas a Virgin friend had the 'pleasure' of operating across the Pacific on the same day and had an equally moderate load as we did.

By the way; with a headline like that you'd make a good journalist! :rolleyes:

People here are a fickle mob! Don't they realise that boycotting Qantas serves to hurt the many thousands of loyal employees they claim to support. If they really support the Qantas rank and file, they would be doing all they can to see that Qantas endures, notwithstanding the presence at the top of those they decry and despise. The people who suffer most by giving business to Qantas' opposition are those at the coal face and the most vulnerable to the impact of a shrinking market.

no it was $1499 inc all charges except credit card fee (can avoid that by paying with bpay)

I'm far from fickle Ken. Very good reasons for my choice. The money I'm spending is keeping Australians in work :ok:

cnsnz


you're obviously not looking at mid DEC onwards departures.


Probably NOV departures.



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Its not just QF with the cheap seats
VA ex AKL/LAX RT $999NZD
DL ex AKL/JFC RT $1349 AKL/SFO RT $1249 all available via Flightcentre

I agree with Ken - boycotting Qantas for Qantas Staff is really not helping (if that's your reason Jack).

They must have sold those 2 seats.Cheapest I can see around x-mas is $1285 one way.From Jan 17th it drops to $835 one way.

kelly, I'm open to suggestion, what action will force a change of CEO?

The public could care less about the loyal employees. QF intl died the day Joyce grounded the airline and stranded thousands of loyal customers all over the globe.

If the business to LA is going that badly, how come they build a new multi million dollar business lounge ?

Los Angeles, USA: New multi-million dollar Qantas business lounge keeps chef Neil Perry busy

because they have no operational experience in running an airline successfully -- so in the meantime, build lounges! (apparently they are successful at that)


Jetstar will make its money through muffins, and QANTAS will make money through its lounges.

Whats that you say? Pure Genius?

I refuse to travel Qantas while Joyce is CEO.

All this sort of attitude does is harm the long serving, loyal staff in the long run. In a few years time, Joyce will be gone regardless of whether you and I or anyone else make our travel plans based on who is the CEO. Do you chose your brand of biscuits based on who the CEO of Arnotts is?

Can't offer a suggestion Jack but Virgin is being propped up by money from the Middle East. Your supporting them based on keeping Australians in jobs (if that's the deciding factor) is a good short term strategy but what of the long term?

If the airline is being so badly managed and money is being wasted why do people still put up with it?
I know Joyce is the CEO but surely he does not sign off on every single decision?
There are numerous numbers of Manager etc within the group that must sit around a table and come to agreement on how the show is being run. Obviously the only way forward or to force change is to take and stand against those who make the decisions.
Petitions to remove the CEO etc are a waste of time why not take him on at his own game if the staff all withdrew there labour and brought it to a standstill then surely someone would take notice?
I do not work for QF and never have but have alot of colleagues that do I also know it is easy to have an opinion when it doesn't affect you.
Good luck.

wow shows the stupidity at QF with spending matters !!!

"JR" has a perfect right to chose whom he sees fit to travel with & for whatever reasons he sees fit to stand by. After all we ALL do the same concept daily, we shop around for the lowest fuel price for Eg & by NOT going to a more expensive fuel outlet are we hurting the guy on the cash register?

Free choice & competition, that's what it is all about & very few if any would be making daily choices for the cheapest products (inc airfares) based on whom it hurts employee wise.

Buy Australian has merit for sure but with higher living expenses & less job security etc we shop for cheaper products world wide & in a sense it's like a dog chasing it's tail, an unfix-able situation the world over!


Wmk2

Kelpie
How narrow minded , "VA being propped up by ME money" , what a factually incorrect statement. It's ok for QF to loose 1billion dollars trying to send VA broke over the last 18 months , then ask for money from the TAXPAYER or NY Stockbrokers , but no it's not ok for VA to get money from one of their cornerstone investors in the ME (One of 4 , the other 3 based on in Europe , Asia and the Pacific ) but no you didn't mention them did you doesn't suit your statement, please advise why this money is different to the others?? I'm interested to here..
Hope QF get and investment from Emirates and then all of you can canvas on this forum at QF must not accept any capital in any form from the ME, yes that's your logic right ??? because anything else makes no sense...
QF = Australian Jobs just as VA = Australian Jobs

Well, I was in the Hong Kong lounge recently and was far from impressed with the concrete floor. For the money spent, I WAS expecting more than the cheap looking decor. The range of food and drink was less too. The redeeming features were that it was large and the staff were great.
Not too successful, I think, and I believe that once again, they have frittered away shareholders money by being conned into spending too muh.

Jack , the little Aussie Bleeder , just such an "Aussie"

What is it now Jack ? 2500 posts or something in three or four years, you are a true doyen of pprune

Gee the dole must be paying great bucks these days that you can afford international travel

Have you ever considered getting of your backside and actually getting some employment, yes I know the aviation/flying career didn't go so well for you

1) you won't see the fares online, only via wholesalers


2) fares to USA are not one ways like over Tasman. Cheapest one way is virtually same as cheapest return.

It's simply not the busiest time of year of the LAX route .. For bums on seats ... And especially not for revenue.

Majority of QFs pax during the year on the LAX rites are people travelling on business. They want flexibility and/or premium seats = higher fares = more revenue. These business travellers don't travel on the 'business shut down period' over Christmas .. In either direction.. So of course QF are gonna flog as many seats at whatever price just to fill the planes over this 'low bums on seat and low revenue period'. :\. Trust me I have done enough Christmas trips to LAX to know the difference in the type of pax and the number of bums on seats as compared to the rest of the year :ok: