On that note No Hoper #2,
Was the crews actions to report moderate turbulence as opposed to the truth an error or violation? Servo, I think the white tail is a different ATR. |
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Perhaps a skills based error on part of pilots |
Yes, both #1 & #2 boys, having personal insight into the recruiting and watching this from a distance for some time now.
Alot of ass covering from a crew who have showed to be out of their depth, who shouldn't have had "it" at speed in areas of turbulence with the cabin not secured (flighties seated & not braking legs)... AND not reported an AIRREP to ATC immediately for following aircraft; PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly. Airmanship is severely lacking today... but that's just my take on the matter. Happy landings :ok: |
PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly. Airmanship is severely lacking today.. |
Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right? two broke up in the air. After the second the then department grounded the type finish, wouldn't even let them be ferried out of the country. Broken up where they stood.
Australian flying conditions and European flying conditions are two different things, it seems. |
Interesting though, if I recall correctly. One broke up over Botany Bay after penetrating a thunderstorm. That led to the mandatory carriage of Radar for all RPT turbine aircraft.
The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount, or something similar. Glad to stand corrected. |
The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount,
Dec 1968
From NTSB report of MMA crash - 26 souls perished "It was determined that the fatigue cracking and primary failure of the starboard inner wing main spar lower boom occurred at Station 143 which almost coincides with the outboard edge of No. 3 engine nacelle." poor buggers didn't have a chance...:sad: |
Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right? |
Oops... twenty two I meant to say. However it was a long time ago and you are probably right.
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Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right? Had a sad history in Australia VH-TVA crew training Mangalore 31/10/54 3 fatal VH-TVC thunderstorm Botany Bay 30/11/61 15 fatal VH-RMI fire in cabin pressurisation blower #2 engine caused wing failure Winton, Queensland 22/9/66 24 fatal VH-RMQ wing failed at #3 engine due incorrectly installed bush in the lower spar boom 31/12/68 25 fatal |
Why is it if this happened to Qlink, QF or JQ the media would go to town and there would probably be some governmental enquiry?????
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Because Virgin employees don't hate their employer.
They don't run off to the media or to the easily misled senator with wild accusations. They allow due process to be followed and corrections to be implemented as intended. |
Flying passengers around in a wreck for five days.And only bs in this thread.
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No I did not.
I would have performed a thorough inspection using the required stands. Strong rumour - Wait for the final report where they publish what the CCTV of the inspection shows. All will be revealed. |
A well deserved pat on the back for Australian engineers; funny, none of the much loved 'off-shore' providers picked it up. Well done I'd say. Pity those engineers didn't inspect the ATR72 before releasing it for further flight and putting many at risk... |
A well deserved pat on the back for Australian engineers; funny, none of the much loved 'off-shore' providers picked it up. Well done I'd say. What makes you think it wasn't one of the much loved off-shore providers that picked it up? |
O, FFS - Post removed – sense of humour removed – interest removed.
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Looks like it's been repaired to a flyable state. Due to fly out of Aus in the next few days, possibly back to France?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHFVR |
Probably to Seletar where all maintenance for the VARA ATRs is occuring
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As FVR is now 2 years old, I think you'll find that this is the second to last C Check that will be done in Seletar with all future (apart from the next one) heavy maintenance checks to be done in the Southern Hemisphere.
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I'd hate to be the poor bugger who invested the millions to buy that aeroplane.
you have to wonder just what the cost has been to Virgin and the aeroplane's owner. ever so glad they started off as multi millionaires. :}:mad: |
I'd hate to be the poor bugger who invested the millions to buy that aeroplane. you have to wonder just what the cost has been to Virgin and the aeroplane's owner. |
JUST ANOTHER HUGE MESS
It was one of the 1st such repair attempted in the world.
That's only partly the reason for such a very long delay to VH-FVR's return. The owners would of liaised with the Frogs & the lawyers to help fix this mess. I for 1 would of loved to be a fly on the wall during those meetings :ooh::ooh::ooh: Make no mistake, it was a very close call to being the 1st hull loss for ... If I was the MLO, I would of forced the dysfunctional crew to attend these liaisons. AND AS FOR THOSE CREWS ??? That's right = all's now OPS NORMAL :ugh: More of the same in this politically correct,ever becoming $ wasting industry |
Looks like VH-FVR is on its way back from Seletar, having arrived there on 27 November, returning on 14 December. Two weeks work. How major was that?
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MLO..................
You'd be unemployed........... |
The Industry operates on honesty, integrity, trust, and truth. This should be practised and remembered at all times, instead of a tendency to use the smokescreen at times. Because Virgin employees don't hate their employer. They allow due process to be followed and corrections to be implemented as intended. Flame away, whatever... |
Pretty sure its in Wagga having a paint job done on the damaged section
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Back in service Sunday BNE-PQQ-SYD-CBR
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I am advised that the previous post must be in error.
the ATR was repaired sufficient for flight and it was flown back to Toulouse by two of the manufacturer's test pilots. I think it's destination was Toulouse le rudder in France. :-) ymmv. |
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rego has been transferred to another aircraft.
the damaged airframe is back in europe. I have that from a good source. |
Well your source is having a lend...
Still shows registered from 06 Nov 2012. C/n 1058. Does anyone check facts before posting anymore? Facts are; It broke It got fixed It's now back in service. :ugh: Merry Xmas everyone!:ok: |
W8,as Going Nowhere says,the CASA rego details make no mention of the rego being transferred to another airframe
CASA Search -- CASA Aircraft Register mmmmmmm nnnnnnn nnnnnnn nnnnnnn |
W8's comments show you shouldn't believe everything you read in this thread, let alone pprune as a whole.
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IIRC, in the good ole days, a rego couldn't be transferred from one airframe to another of the same type. Any idea is this is/was correct?
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IIRC, in the good ole days, a rego couldn't be transferred from one airframe to another of the same type. Any idea is this is/was correct? It certainly was the case in said good ole days. I don't know what genius changed the rule but it's caused no end of confusion. One of the more notable results being two DC-3s registered VH-PWN (although not simultaneously). Rgds |
Facts are; It broke It got fixed It's now back in service Why was it broken? - The pilots were incompetent. Poor CRM, lack of experience... lack of systems knowledge... lack of maturity to report the actual inflight happenings to the on-ground ginger-beer... non-adherence to SOPS... lack of adequate SOPS for such situations... the list goes on. That is why VB stepped in! What has changed and what has been learnt? This is what needs to be asked. |
Facts are; It broke It got fixed It's now back in service the aircraft was flown in turbulence on descent at Vmo (maximum operating speed) the turbulence penetration speed is some 50 knots slower than Vmo. the pilots did not realise that the aircraft was being structurally damaged by the descents. aircraft continued in service until a bird strike caused a mechanic to have a look at what the damage was. the inspection showed structural damage that had escaped the manufacturers inspection procedures, (built as they were on slower speed assumptions and lesser structural loads.) there is obviously more to it than this potted history. two of the manufacturer's test pilots flew that repaired aircraft back to Toulouse. presumably this will allow the designers to investigate what will be needed in the design to prevent a recurrence. your mileage may vary. have a safe flight. W8 |
two of the manufacturer's test pilots flew that repaired aircraft back to Toulouse. presumably this will allow the designers to investigate what will be needed in the design to prevent a recurrence. there is obviously more to it than this potted history. |
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