Piper Cub get of the big plane site back to GA where everything is at 60 knots hahahaha.

Regarding the 737 site I was 100% correct and we see you have your head in the sand again.

Go have the "protected" slow work at Tiger and you will get the wrath of Gary Hammes now VB COO he has dealt with you people before and won ...

your obviously don't have much work for that DC 8 then eh 4 holes if yer too busy trying to tell the natives how they should work and what they should fight for.

Why don't you head back to Peru?

I was waiting for him to start stirring the pot.

Reading previous posts, 4 Troller tbh..

Roster stability is fair and reasonable
 

Rubbish.

I know of several instances where there was a reasonable expectation to be finished work by late morning (2 sector day) that became evening finishes after 2 sectors were added without consent.

This has nothing to do with choice of industry.

Being able to plan our lives around our work hours is fair and reasonable and needs to be written into the contract or otherwise the door is open wide for management to take unreasonable advantages. Low cost or not, there HAS to be a balance.

Good on you guys at Tiger for standing up!

Be careful.

You're a small airline, you wont make any impact on the travelling public, you'll attract negative attention (which I think you have enough of already) and you will just send your pax to other carriers who have some capacity to accomodate a few more people.

To all Tiger Pilots,

I wish you all the best in your PIA. There does appear to be management or the odd scab who seem to be trying to undermine you. Rest assured your line driver is behind you 100%.

In solidarity

A fellow pilot

Good luck to the tiger pilots and pay no heed to the moronic comments by Petticoat. The terms and conditions now enjoyed by VA pilots are the result of some robustly contested EBA negotiations.

Protected Industrial Action
 

Sorry Tid
you asked for short version of PIA

PIA (Protected Industrial Action)
Means what it says it is protected within the legislation.

What happens is that the Federation as the bargaining agent on behalf of its members can apply to hold a ballot on a series of actions to be taken by the pilot group.
The question can relate to any form of action, bans or refusal to perform certain duties.
Once the action questions are formulated we apply to Fair Work Australia to run a ballot of our members.
Both Federation and Company can attend and put arguments as to the questions to be asked.
It is important to note that only members or anyone represented by the Federation in the negotiations can vote.
The ballot is conducted by the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC).
They receive the list of members from the Federation and compare to a full employee list from the employer.
Neither the Company or Union gets access to the lists supplied.
The ballot is declared on each question both as hard votes and percentages, this is published on the Fair Work website.
On each question supported by the majority the action can begin on the date no earlier than three business days.
There is also a time frame to start any single part of the action if not started by that time the ballot has to be rerun.

Once the action begins the employer does have the right to lock out employees for taking action but cannot dismiss the employee.
It is not a strike unless that was the agreed action to completely stop work indefinitely.
Also should be noted only Members can take the action.
If a non-member takes action outside normal ops in support they leave themselves open to a damages action.

Hope that gives the basic brief facts of PIA.

Lawrie Cox
Australian Federation of Air Pilots

I've got to say I'm astounded with the negative responses I've read on this thread. I believe the affected Tiger pilots deserve 100% support from the rest of the pilot body.
People are so quick to dig the boot in with talk of being the "worst paid narrow body pilots in the country" but here they are using smart and legal tactics to improve their conditions but others want to condem them.
The company has been bought by owners with (relatively) deep pockets, so now is absolutely the time to be making a wage/conditions claim. Given the plan is to double or triple the fleet size there are certainly the funds around to pay for your EBA claims.

The ex-89 crowd suggesting "we tried industrial action, it didn't work for us so it won't work for anyone" are naïve or arrogant to not see that the circumstances and laws are completely different here. Just because an approach did not pan out 25 years ago does not mean pilots in Australia must be happy with whatever rubbish their employer hands out forever onward.

And to the Virgin crew (or those pretending to be) attacking this action, you ought to realise this is the best possible scenario for your continued employment in the Virgin/Tiger group. The last thing you want is a ready, waiting and compliant body of pilots within your own airline group who'll happily do your flying on a lesser EBA. JB will certainly think twice about attempting to replace you with cheaper crew if said crew have proven to have an industrial backbone and know how to fight for a fair EBA.
You should be thanking your Tiger cousins.

"I know of several instances where there was a reasonable expectation to be finished work by late morning (2 sector day) that became evening finishes after 2 sectors were added without consent."

This has occurred in all of the 5 airlines I have worked for, in oz and o/s. Annoying yes, but part of the game.

All the companies I have worked for, if its within duty time, then you are expected to fly... Its pretty easy to plan around.

Is the AFAP the only industrial organisation with members at Tigerair?

I've been watching this with a keen interest.

I hope you get what you're after and I hope it's a fair deal for all parties. You want a viable airline that's profitable. You certainly don't want your T&Cs to cause you to become uncompetitive. Having said that you want something realistic that represents the job we all do in an expensive econony with associated lifestyle/rostering protections.

I'd personally take less remuneration for better rostering.

Go hard guys.

ask for pay rise/better conditions when airline is profitable
 

not now, when making a loss, or you might be offerred an effective pay cut !!!

I don't think pay is the issue. Tiger will not live or die based on the EBA proposal. From what I can see its about a management win mentality.

But then again what's new!

Thanks to those that answered my earlier question as to what the Gocat guys were asking for.

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable request to me. All the best :ok:

Any news as to the outcome of todays meeting?

Looks like they got some serious base increases.

They would now be the highest paid A320 pilots in the region.