TIGER AIR PILOT strike notice
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I think you'll find what has been approved is protected industrial action - not a strike.
Which would have been approved by Fair Work Australia (or whatever its current title is).
Which would have been approved by Fair Work Australia (or whatever its current title is).
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now is not the time to strike
you may end up with no job & who's going to employ someone who lost their job for striking. Remember the pilots dispute ?
now is not the time to strike
you may end up with no job & who's going to employ someone who lost their job for striking. Remember the pilots dispute ?
Secondly, let's have some perspective. Pilots aren't quitting en-masse as part of the industrial action. Massive difference.
Reminds me of the old song "When will they ever learn" Shades of the AFAP all over again in 1989
It's a protected action? Therefore its not a strike? A rose by another name, comes to mind.
It's a protected action? Therefore its not a strike? A rose by another name, comes to mind.
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Geez guys! Why bother being in a union if you are never willing to take industrial action? As long as the demands are not unreasonable, industrial action is a legitimate negotiating tool.
And as long as they are not taking legal advice from the idiot Tony North they are protected. The dispute was tragic, to be sure, but it was built on a house of cards.
A frank and open meeting of the minds is cheaper and more immediately effective than a disgruntled workforce working to rule, especially a workforce than can say "fill 'er up" whenever they want. For example. Not that I am advocating it
A frank and open meeting of the minds is cheaper and more immediately effective than a disgruntled workforce working to rule, especially a workforce than can say "fill 'er up" whenever they want. For example. Not that I am advocating it
And in this short thread we see why aviation is forever screwed in this country as stated, why bother with unions at all if on the first sighting of very minor industrial action we get all the 89'ers telling everyone to back down. Guess we just have to rely on the goodwill of management to get what is required.
From my point of view, good lick guys I hope you achieve what is required.
as stated, why bother with unions at all if on the first sighting of very minor industrial action we get all the 89'ers telling everyone to back down. Guess we just have to rely on the goodwill of management to get what is required.From my point of view, good lick guys I hope you achieve what is required.
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Wrong lawyer
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your statement is completely false. There was another lawyer involved (now deceased) who gave the advice you refer to whilst correct legally was a disaster industrially.
In fact Tony North who is now a Federal Court judge only became involved as a junior at the start. He was also the judge who had the intestinal fortitude to lift the corporate veil in the maritime dispute unlike those who sat in judgement of the Federation and its members.
On topic the legislative framework we now operate to is completely different than that that existed in 1989. Suggest a few people actually read before making some fairly silly statements on this site or any other social media that could lead to one action against them.
For a start read the Pprune owners information at the top of the page.
your statement is completely false. There was another lawyer involved (now deceased) who gave the advice you refer to whilst correct legally was a disaster industrially.
In fact Tony North who is now a Federal Court judge only became involved as a junior at the start. He was also the judge who had the intestinal fortitude to lift the corporate veil in the maritime dispute unlike those who sat in judgement of the Federation and its members.
On topic the legislative framework we now operate to is completely different than that that existed in 1989. Suggest a few people actually read before making some fairly silly statements on this site or any other social media that could lead to one action against them.
For a start read the Pprune owners information at the top of the page.
Hey Guys,
Protected Industrial Action, or PIA, is a valid and sanctioned way to get companies who are stonewalling or being unreasonable back to the negotiating table. This form of action MUST be approved by Fair Work Australia (FWA) and must be measured and gradual.
For example, a few years ago, the Southern Regional Red Rat Flight Crew had approval for PIA in the form of not answering phones on RDOs and not flying aircraft with any MELs on it. This was approved by FWA.
It should also be noted that this PIA did not even get implemented, as the company, when it realized the MASSIVE schedule disruption it would face, came back to the table and negotiated in good faith. That is the key word here, GOOD FAITH.
If the negotiators are being told a constant and monotonous NO to reasonable and justifiable claims, what else would you have the negotiators do? Awww sorry guys, the company won't give us a payrise and now we have to pay for our cyclics...
You guys know you can vote Liberal and be a member of a Union right??
Note, this form of action is (as far as I am aware) only open to Union members. If other non union members participate, they can get into serious trouble as this is 'unprotected'. That was my understanding, happy to be corrected.
Good luck to the Tiger negotiators, it is a thankless job.
j3
Protected Industrial Action, or PIA, is a valid and sanctioned way to get companies who are stonewalling or being unreasonable back to the negotiating table. This form of action MUST be approved by Fair Work Australia (FWA) and must be measured and gradual.
For example, a few years ago, the Southern Regional Red Rat Flight Crew had approval for PIA in the form of not answering phones on RDOs and not flying aircraft with any MELs on it. This was approved by FWA.
It should also be noted that this PIA did not even get implemented, as the company, when it realized the MASSIVE schedule disruption it would face, came back to the table and negotiated in good faith. That is the key word here, GOOD FAITH.
If the negotiators are being told a constant and monotonous NO to reasonable and justifiable claims, what else would you have the negotiators do? Awww sorry guys, the company won't give us a payrise and now we have to pay for our cyclics...
You guys know you can vote Liberal and be a member of a Union right??
Note, this form of action is (as far as I am aware) only open to Union members. If other non union members participate, they can get into serious trouble as this is 'unprotected'. That was my understanding, happy to be corrected.
Good luck to the Tiger negotiators, it is a thankless job.
j3
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Note, this form of action is (as far as I am aware) only open to Union members. If other non union members participate, they can get into serious trouble as this is 'unprotected'. That was my understanding, happy to be corrected.
- accepting any aircraft for a flight that has a permissible un-serviceability as described in the Minimum Equipment List (MEL).
- completing all Voyage Report Information, other the recording of Flight and Block times.
- re-commencing any duties within 30 minutes of a Turn Around during the hours of 0500 to 0800; and 1100 to 1400; and 1700 to 2000.
- any work or duty prior to the designated sign on time, or after the designated sign off time.
- following group of Flight Related Actions: Intersection Take Offs; exceeding speed of Mach 0.76; accepting Track Shortening; other than in the event of an emergency.
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Join the union, otherwise just dont partake in the directions, doesnt matter either way because if the bloke your with does it the plane aint going anywhere.
Simple really, you just keep doing your job and the other guy will comply by the directions, and probably in the long run lift your pay too..
Simple really, you just keep doing your job and the other guy will comply by the directions, and probably in the long run lift your pay too..
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Well done!
I think everyone needs to take 3 deep breaths, and look at the legal perspective.
If you are rostered for mind-numbing shifts that leave you in a perpetual state of jet-lag, unable to enjoy your time-off, this leads to chronic fatigue which physically and psychologically debilitates you. The long-term effects of the low-cost carrier on medical health are being questioned at present, and most LCCs will not allow leave to be taken when the pilot feels the need to take it. You become a slave, with only the medical system to alleviate your conditions.
This is clearly un-acceptable. Were I a CEO, I would find the chief rostering clerk and double their salary, on the proviso that they never publish a roster that they (or I) would not be happy doing. That would be 10 rupees a day in India!
Companies have done round-the-clock opetations for centuries (e.g. the Royal Navy) but they limit the hours between midnight and 6 a.m., which is when the human body needs sleep. Under CAO 82, the Chief Pilot is responsible for rostering, but this can be delegated. CASA is responsible for the overview, and may make changes to flight and duty requirements as required to ensure safety. When have they ever done this? Normally a CASA rep approves more slavery, then takes a job as, I dunno, "Head of Safety" perhaps, with the slave-owners!
We have learned so much about aviation medicine since 1945, but LCCs disregard all that. Captain and F/O meals are supposed to be prepared in different kitchens, but not now if it saves $4. How many instances of crew incapacitation have there been? I had one myself, and my mate had DUAL incapacitation, only able to recover the aircraft when his appendix burst - and he was the F/O!
Finally, there are always the 89'rs that say "don't make waves!". This bowl of crap that we have to eat today is thanks to you lot! Fancy going on strike over Xmas (alienating the public), standing up against Bob Hawke who had an approval rating of 75%, when the industrial accord was for no more than 6% pay increases because interest rates were 18% and people were losing their houses. The companies offered you 15%, but you wanted 29%. When the courts ordered you to return to work, you defied it, and resigned en-masse, answerable to nobody. The Mt. Macedon farmers went into retirement, the F/Os got the stick, and regretted it ever since.
Make waves guys! It's not hard to do decent rosters, 'coz I've done it for a regional airline. Don't accept second best, you are the buck-stop. An ATC friend of mine used to say, "It's simple, when YOU screw up you die. When I screw-up, YOU die."
If your legal action is protected by the courts, go for it - but get a good information campaign to the travelling public. You need them on your side if you're going to win.
Ned
If you are rostered for mind-numbing shifts that leave you in a perpetual state of jet-lag, unable to enjoy your time-off, this leads to chronic fatigue which physically and psychologically debilitates you. The long-term effects of the low-cost carrier on medical health are being questioned at present, and most LCCs will not allow leave to be taken when the pilot feels the need to take it. You become a slave, with only the medical system to alleviate your conditions.
This is clearly un-acceptable. Were I a CEO, I would find the chief rostering clerk and double their salary, on the proviso that they never publish a roster that they (or I) would not be happy doing. That would be 10 rupees a day in India!
Companies have done round-the-clock opetations for centuries (e.g. the Royal Navy) but they limit the hours between midnight and 6 a.m., which is when the human body needs sleep. Under CAO 82, the Chief Pilot is responsible for rostering, but this can be delegated. CASA is responsible for the overview, and may make changes to flight and duty requirements as required to ensure safety. When have they ever done this? Normally a CASA rep approves more slavery, then takes a job as, I dunno, "Head of Safety" perhaps, with the slave-owners!
We have learned so much about aviation medicine since 1945, but LCCs disregard all that. Captain and F/O meals are supposed to be prepared in different kitchens, but not now if it saves $4. How many instances of crew incapacitation have there been? I had one myself, and my mate had DUAL incapacitation, only able to recover the aircraft when his appendix burst - and he was the F/O!
Finally, there are always the 89'rs that say "don't make waves!". This bowl of crap that we have to eat today is thanks to you lot! Fancy going on strike over Xmas (alienating the public), standing up against Bob Hawke who had an approval rating of 75%, when the industrial accord was for no more than 6% pay increases because interest rates were 18% and people were losing their houses. The companies offered you 15%, but you wanted 29%. When the courts ordered you to return to work, you defied it, and resigned en-masse, answerable to nobody. The Mt. Macedon farmers went into retirement, the F/Os got the stick, and regretted it ever since.
Make waves guys! It's not hard to do decent rosters, 'coz I've done it for a regional airline. Don't accept second best, you are the buck-stop. An ATC friend of mine used to say, "It's simple, when YOU screw up you die. When I screw-up, YOU die."
If your legal action is protected by the courts, go for it - but get a good information campaign to the travelling public. You need them on your side if you're going to win.
Ned