Rubbish.

It's offset because the VOR isn't beautifully aligned with the RWY 34 centerline and the approach of 346 degrees inbound to the VOR places you on the centerline at the minima. The VOR is in fact 350m ENE of the RWY intersection.

If what you say is true ( and it's not ) then the RNAV 34 wouldn't be runway aligned with a nice 3 deg glide slope would it......:D

Oh and ATC don't prefer it's use, most Aircraft now do the RNAV 34 or RNP 34.
I haven't done the VOR for 5 years!!

I can confirm that ATC couldn't give a rats arse what approach you fly :cool:

That's true JR you guys usually ask at Star time what Arrival you want which leads into the actual Inst App.
Love the one about the river App..........where do guys dream this stuff up?:)

Alingement wise always wondered why Oz doesn't use the BC feature of most AP's. Can you shed some light on that one JR please?:-)

Wmk2

It is the geo-magnetic polarising pull of the Essendon DFO, obviously Boeing software engineers will be issuing V5.5 upgrade app asap.

Dunno Wal-star.

Sheeez 'JR' I hope I don't have to ask you am I gunna clear the terrain up ahead at my present Alt whilst I am in IMC with a statement like that from an ATC'er:E:E


Heard a funny the other day going into Syd 16R

I think a Joke* driver asked what was the cloud base like on final?................answer came back from Mr ATC dunno depends where you are or words to that effect, cracked us up !:E



Wmk2

Steady on Wal-ster, I'm on leave at the moment :cool: Wild Turkey premium 101 6.5%, it's gone to my head a little bit :=

Nicely lined up tho!


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The ASA radar track together with the Live atc recording made a great listen.They were initially being given vectord for 34 VOR by Centr but approach went ahead and cleard them Viz. and the poor bloke accepted it citing the rwy in sight.I do think, as far as the recording goes there was minimal intervention of APP in the discontinued app.When they turn left is when they are asked if they see the strobes at 2o clock. If we were to compare their vectors to JST just ahead of them JST came over essenden where as AI was vectored well south, a trap which they got them selfs into

But again surely had their OBS Course knob said 340 with YMML on the vor They would have know.

:D:D

'Bucks' they may not have had anything useful set up on their VOR or in fact had the rose display on their ND leaving them with just the head of a VOR needle moving about at the top of the arc display. With a 340 course set which isn't aligned anyway with Rwy 34 anyway wouldn't provide much assistance to them unless they where watching that closely & considering that they 'thought' they had ML in sight any level of dial watching would have gone out the window as the brain once it gets what it 'thinks' is reliable info that's it it's locked on & disregards all other info. You see what you 'want' to see in this case.
The single biggest 'who is minding the shop' issue here is the pictorial view of the selected Rwy on the ND, their current track (towards EN Rwy35) would have had ML's Rwy 34 way off to the left still oriented correctly (well close) in ref to Nth but not aligned with where they where heading, that's their biggest missed cue.


Wmk2

I seem to recall suggesting that a few replies back Wally in post #22

What's the problem? SIMOPS, he woulda got in well in front of the semenhole.

okay 'nitty' I don't want to steal yr thunder buddy:ok: Old age means I can only retain about 3 posts worth:E:ok:


Wmk2

YMML only has ILS on RW27 and RW16, not on RW34 or RW09

If you were coming in from BOLTY, you have about a 4nm radius turn to a 5nm straight in final to RW 34. At this point Essendon RW35 is about 2.5nm in front of you and about 2nm off to the right.

( I dont think the airports look anything alike)

According to webtrack, they completed turn North at 09:41:19 then corrected at 09:41:57 (38 seconds)

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For your Information down there.

UNITED STATES FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION has just DOWNGRADED India to Category 2 "NON ICAO COMPLIANT".

Does that mean Air India can no longer fly in Australia ?

Nope. Considering other country's carriers that fly into Australia are in exactly the same category as AI. Indonesia and The Philippines come to mind. Cat 2 doesn't black ball the nations' aircraft from US airspace just restricts the amount of flying into there. Hell, Garuda was blacklisted from EU airspace until recently and yet Australia was ok with many flights into Australian airspace.

It only was a few years ago Australia got a slap on the wrist from the FAA too :=

Fuel-Off :ok: