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Blitzkrieger 22nd Dec 2013 06:22

Air North for sale?
 
I hear Cobham are keen on buying Air North.

jarden 22nd Dec 2013 06:53

Interesting, shame Qantas does not want to buy them would make a good fit in their network.

Goat Whisperer 22nd Dec 2013 08:05

Buying airlines wouldn't fit with Alan's "we'll be rooned!" narrative.

Flying Meat Cleaver 22nd Dec 2013 08:52

What if...
 
Alan might not want to buy anymore, but what if he wants the sub-contractors to! That way he can get the flying done, keeping market share, and doing it cheaper than using mainline! Just a thought.

FMC.

C441 22nd Dec 2013 09:46


Interesting, shame Qantas does not want to buy them would make a good fit in their network.
You never know. Alan might buy them on......Impulse. ;)

Stationair8 22nd Dec 2013 09:52

Now will the E-190's go on the Capitec AoC, or will the E-170's go on the Virgin AoC?
Will the E-120 be replaced by ATR's?
But what does one do with the M23's?

Berealgetreal 22nd Dec 2013 19:39

If my memory serves me correctly, the very first thing Borghetti did when he joined was to get rid of the E170. I remember attending an early roadshow and his words on the matter were reasonably clear....

The Green Goblin 22nd Dec 2013 21:17

Might finally get that EBA sorted :)

Prince Niccolo M 23rd Dec 2013 04:40

so who isn't interested?
 
So far we slipped from Cobham to QF to Virgin being interested. For many years, Cobham had a "no airlines" policy as the Brits were only really interested in Coastwatch. They lived with the FIFO and Airlink bits under sufferance - I wonder if that's changed or if Airnorth is even available?


It would be an interesting test of due diligence for any buyer, methinks... :eek: :eek: :eek:

Cirronimbus 23rd Dec 2013 08:18

or Pearl could buy them and get their contract work back.......

The Green Goblin 23rd Dec 2013 12:35

Well if the paspaley clan are after a write off, you can't beat aircraft on the ground with crew not working :)

Why would they spend any more money?

Hour for hour, they'd have to be the best paid drivers in Austraya ;)

ITCZ 1st Jan 2014 15:08

There might have been some casual interest, but Cobham buying Airnorth is a bit 'out there'. They may both be operators of narrow body RPT jets, but they have very different business models.

Airnorth is an airline, that makes money by offering tickets to the public.

Cobham's aussie businesses are like its UK and worldwide cousins - businesses that won't supply anything unless they have a long term, 500+ page thick contract, usually tightly integrated with one (maybe two) specialised customer(s).

B717 = a 5 year multimillion $$ contract with a single customer (QF) following 22 years of 146/717 regional rpt.
BAe146 to Moomba,
BAe146 night freight Australian Air Express,
LADS.
FIFO in WA.
Coastwatch = Sentinel contract with the federal government.

Cobham managers would be mindful of the possible effect on the group share price if it moves away from what Cobham does best (single customer, tightly integrated, multi million $, long term contracts) and tries to sell tickets to thousands of consumers at a couple hundred bucks a pop.

I can't see it - but stranger things have happened!

Marauder 1st Jan 2014 21:13

Maybe Air North buying Cobham.

It's principal always was the Minnow swallowing the Whale

Icarus2001 16th Jan 2014 09:40

Any more on this little beauty?

smiling monkey 7th Aug 2019 04:01

Resurrecting an old thread, but apparently Air North is now up for sale and with first round bids due by the end of this week.

https://www.afr.com/street-talk/auct...0190805-p52dul

My guess is that Rex and Alliance would place bids. Thoughts anyone?

Mr Google Head 7th Aug 2019 05:06


Originally Posted by smiling monkey (Post 10538694)
Resurrecting an old thread, but apparently Air North is now up for sale and with first round bids due by the end of this week.

https://www.afr.com/street-talk/auct...0190805-p52dul

My guess is that Rex and Alliance would place bids. Thoughts anyone?

maybe Virgin? Get the foot in the door for a smaller jet for those regional routes? 😂

Blueskymine 7th Aug 2019 06:16

Considering qantas have 20% in an operator plying virgins regional routes, it’d make sense for virgin to buy TL which is a QF codeshare partner :)

Plus of course virgin could put the parked up 190s straight to work.

Lapon 7th Aug 2019 07:18

Maybe nobody wants it and it gets wound up?
For the guys and girls on the payroll I hope not :uhoh:

Reggy Stirred Yuza 7th Aug 2019 09:30

Wouldnt mind betting buyer would want the AOC and not the airframes. Milk run down the centre is not likely to be a good earner. Leave that for Rex. M23 are not doing much, E170s mostly leased anyway. What would you do with the Braz? Going to be interesting.

PoppaJo 7th Aug 2019 09:49

Virgins days of spending are over. All projects have been put on hold. Adding another headache and loss making entity to the mix is far of his agenda at the moment which is stop the endless capital spending.

industry insider 7th Aug 2019 12:52

It will be a tough sell with just a few old Turboprops and some leased E Jets. Bristow may have to give Air North away. There is enough capacity in the marketplace to take over the routes, take on and re train the crews as required.

I wonder if Air North will come with a £17.1m cash gift like Eastern Airways in the UK?

https://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news...revious-owner/

Mr Google Head 8th Aug 2019 02:16

Maybe the previous owners will come back in?

topend3 8th Aug 2019 02:25

Maybe Cobham will put a bid in

tio540 8th Aug 2019 14:34

Bristow should sell bottled water.

F.Nose 10th Aug 2019 07:21


Originally Posted by tio540 (Post 10540149)
Bristow should sell bottled water.

And qualify for a $10m NT Gov subsidy, wind up the water company within 18 months with absolutely no accountability or recourse.
Great business plan! It’s a wonder nobody has thought of it before. 😉

tio540 10th Aug 2019 11:44


Originally Posted by F.Nose (Post 10541505)


And qualify for a $10m NT Gov subsidy, wind up the water company within 18 months with absolutely no accountability or recourse.
Great business plan! It’s a wonder nobody has thought of it before. 😉

Then get $400 million for a ship lift....

Gotta love the N.T. Labor government.

smiling monkey 13th Aug 2019 10:57

Looks like Rex is not interested in buying Air North.

"Mr Sharp said part of Rex's reasoning for knocking back a bid for Airnorth was due to its "culture". "

"When you buy a business you also inherit its culture and its practices ... and sometimes its actually easier to start from the ground up," Mr Sharp said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...outes/11406282

Chocks Away 13th Aug 2019 14:29

Amen, Smiling Monkey... blind Freddy could have told anyone that and it's great that it's finally out in the open.
It wasn't only the Bristow "Fixed Wing" Manager's ineptiude but alot of the office management @ ScareNorth that required "Don't Come Monday" letters!
Sadly, a once great Regional operator is on it's knees and in question.

Nice quick move by Babcock with a couple of fresh looking "whirly-birds" in Karratha, after Bristow packed up two of it's Pumas. What happened there?

Icarus2001 14th Aug 2019 02:29

The CP probably cannot believe his luck.

gordonfvckingramsay 14th Aug 2019 03:54


Mr Sharp said part of Rex's reasoning for knocking back a bid for Airnorth was due to its "culture".
That can’t bode well for any aviation company for sale right now then, can’t think of a single one with a good culture.

WannaBeBiggles 14th Aug 2019 22:13


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 10544489)


That can’t bode well for any aviation company for sale right now then, can’t think of a single one with a good culture.

I can't see where they said it was a bad culture...
When a company hires an individual they will look whether the person will fit into and thrive in that companies' culture. Same could be said of acquiring an entire company.

gordonfvckingramsay 14th Aug 2019 22:53

You are correct, I made an assumption. I doubt there are many companies who would pass up an opportunity to acquire another company with a good culture though. As for whether it fit with your existing culture, it hasn’t stopped many corporate takeovers before.

ebt 16th Aug 2019 07:16

Why bother buying an operation when you can wait for it to collapse and step in and do it on your own anyway without paying a premium? Rex doesn't want to deal with E-Jets, but they sense opportunity in the EMB-120 ops, albeit opportunity that they would use Saab 340s on.

rep 16th Aug 2019 07:33

Saab 340s in the NT. Complete disaster.

Ladloy 16th Aug 2019 08:53


Originally Posted by rep (Post 10546508)
Saab 340s in the NT. Complete disaster.

Why would that be the case?

topend3 16th Aug 2019 09:56

Agree they operate them to hot locations in WA and other states so can’t see why NT would be an issue

Blueskymine 17th Aug 2019 07:09

When the competition is running air conditioned Brasilias, it doesn’t take long for word to spread around the communities.

The only way a Saab will be successful in the NT is if the incumbent stops flying.

Ask Vincent how their Saab operation went in the NT. It sank them. Along with 1900s competing with metros.

Arthur D 17th Aug 2019 08:38

Unfortunately I think it will take more than air conditioned sh1tboxes to save Air North.

The vultures are circling, I would get out whilst the going is good.....

Blueskymine 17th Aug 2019 08:42


Originally Posted by Arthur D (Post 10547387)
Unfortunately I think it will take more than air conditioned sh1tboxes to save Air North.

The vultures are circling, I would get out whilst the going is good.....

Well the competition could run the turboprop services at a loss to starve out the incumbent before taking over. They’ve got a pretty big network to spread the losses over.

Airnorth do have jets though so they may give away the feeder operation and focus on the bigger stuff.

Interesting times either way.

aviation_enthus 17th Aug 2019 10:20

Rex vs Vincent is not a realistic comparison.

Yes they both run/ran Saabs, but Rex invest a reasonable amount of money in ground equipment for their RPT network. Every port in North Queensland has ground power and air conditioning units. From personal experience it keeps the cabin cool and the passengers happy. I actually found the A/C in the Saab better than the Dash 8 on account of the two A/C packs once the engines where running. Not sure what the Bras has.

I don’t think Rex will build a network specifically to take down another competitor. They’ve never done this anywhere else on their network. If the NT government and the various communities are open to Rex starting service (reasonable access charges, etc), then I’d put my money on them expanding up there eventually. When Skytrans went under in NQ, some of the councils/communities were openly hostile to Rex flying to their towns. Hence they just walked away and chased work elsewhere in Australia (WA).


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