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www.theage.com.au - Qantas boss Alan Joyce walks tightrope in pursuit of federal support

Who needs strong leadership, clear vision, and financial nous when all you have to do is pack a top rating American sitcom on your plane and everything is magically fixed. To quote from the movie "Bill and Ted's excellent adventure" - AJ, you are definitely not worthy. Perhaps AJ should be flying in the cast of "Dumb and dumber" instead.

Maybe someone should tell AJ just how bad things are money wise, just had an item on our TV news, Qantas are spending what was described as a fortune on their first class lounge in LA.

Announcement on the 17th. 50 mainline FA to be retrenched or they can go to Perth. Alan Joyce to go. That's what I heard from the YBTL refueler.

Don't tease me.

I would be astonished if he wasn't a dead man walking at this stage. The board will be trying to extricate itself from the Joycean disaster with their own individual credibility intact. I imagine a quiet but intense CEO hunt is on right now.

On edit: don't take too much comfort in that, though, as that malignant tw*t Clifford will be running the search.

AJ :8 couldn't give a rats a*** about the airline.
His package is secure and has made his money.

AJ is laughing all the way to to his Irish bank...qantas salary? Pfffft. Give me leasing pay packets any day!!

Lotta wishful thinking here but few facts unfortunately

Likely it's the CNS FA base to close. It has been on the chopping block for a while.

As to the second part, double fingers crossed!

wonder what the load factor would have been if a third of the fleet wasnt against the fence?

They should have put another 1 or 2 aircraft against the fence, then their load factor would have been over 90% :rolleyes:

Not sure about their profit though. :ugh:

Just been thinking more about your point.

I am guessing all Airlines would do the same, but their figures are obviously the number of pax carried to the number of seats available on those flights, IF they were being honest :rolleyes: they should include ALL available seats, that is including the seats on the idle/stored aircraft. :ok:

Actually those numbers are skewed poorly.. 20Dec - 5 Jan will of course show only the busiest time. I wonder how they stacked up for the calendar month of Dec? Not as good I'm guessing....

strange how a similar load-factor up to Frankfurt led the spin doctors to pronounce the route unprofitable (despite charging a premium).

The top 6 airlines in Japan by fleet size are:

ANA / ANA Wings 251
JAL / JAL Express 156
Air Japan 32
Sky mark 31
J Air 22
Jetstar Japan 17

It's credible that Jetstar Japan carried more passengers than J Air as they only operate a fleet of smaller regional jets.

I find it hard to believe JQ carried more pax then either Air Japan or Skymark considering some of their 17 aircraft are operational spares.

MC.

To be fair it does say............

They did not say they carried the most pax, or even 2nd or 3rd most pax.

Mst Caution,
Depends on how you define the airlines.
From your list.
Air Japan is a fully owned charter operation of ANA, that runs 767 using the ANA code
J-Air is fully owned by JAL, and could be considered like Qantas Link,

Include those with the parent
ANA
JAL
Skymark
Jetstar Japan

is quite believeable

EXCLUSIVE

Alan Joyce's plan for turning around Qantas Group. Draft 1.

8 Pillar Plan (8 is a lucky number in Asia)

Qantas will retire all long haul aircraft, to be replaced by Jetstar's 8 oldest A320s. (this will bring down the average fleet age)

All Qantas A320s to be based in Darwin and be flown as far afield as Dili and Kupang. (to be known as QF1 and QF2) Code share with Air North and Emirates.

Qantas A320's will be fitted with 8 luxury First suites. (Red Q is not dead)

Jetstar Asia will then transport all passengers to destinations throughout our pan Asian network. (New destinations include Ulaanbaatar and Zamboanga)

An total order of 888 A320's will operate our network with at least half being operational spares.

Each Asian destination will have a full management team including a CEO. (all frontline staff will be outsourced)

All existing long haul flying will be code share (gifted) to offshore entities.

One A380 will be kept and converted to freighter to fly all the money made in Asia back to Coward Street, Mascot. (all existing mainline pilots will be retained but sent on LWOP until they die, saving on redundancy payments)

Credit Suisse does a Bill Shorten?
 

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So Credit Suisse supports the outcome of the review, even though the review has not been completed!

Sounds a lot like Bill Shortens support of the then PM even though he didn't have a clue about what she said.

438

It is great to see the Aussie sense of humour and sarcasm is alive and well!!

Classic!

Nice plan -438, but have you considered keeping a second A380 parked in jo'berg as an operational spare for tha Asian money truck?

I heard a rumour... SYD- Joburg to be gifted to Emirates via Dubai. As good place as any for the ops spare. Coz there ain't much much money comin out of Asia.

NM - Are you serious about SYD-JNB?

EK has 3 flights a day to JNB.

Sorry to say bit I heard the same thing about SYD JNB last week.

Tragically it doesn't surprise me.

However, I am speechless. In a chocking on vomit kind of way.

If its true, the wind down of International continues.:ugh:

Out here in the deep Oulduvai we were wondereing about the JNB route. If they can kill FRA against all contrary logic surely JNB cannot be far behind? As much as it pains my primitive brain to contemplate, that would dovetail with the plan to destroy the airline in order to save it.

Being a very primitive hominid, lacking the frontal lobes of even those }{##^* Cro-Magnon men someone will have to explain that strategy to me again. Evereything seems so abstract without an MBA:confused:

Alan was seen departing Sydney on the QF1 yesterday. I wonder if he is off to Dubai to gift his best mate Tim Clark and Emirates some more of QFs best routes?

I know most here do not agree, but I still think Emirates will take Qantas over. :(

If they want to run it as a going concern I could scarcely think of a better outcome. But why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Unless the Asian potential and Pacific actual markets are enough to entice them?

QF does have some unused strategic advantages that the current unimaginative, philistine pig-ignorant management have been unable to weave into a coherent whole.

(Of course a complete lack of vision, modesty and fleet plan will do that to you)

Although it is definitely NOT the outcome I would like to see, I heard the same exact rumour yesterday, so it is probably true. :(:(:(

I can't see it happening. Politically they wouldn't let it happen.

However it does get Allan Joyce and Co off the hook. They can destroy the business they are supposed to be managing then let EK take over and they get out with reputation and money intact. The owners I imagine would get their money back and collect probably some of the billions in cash lying around and the left over QF super fund.

I imagine the strategy would be to shut down international, use the domestic feed and sell off Jetstar probably with some propping up in one way or another. EK would ramp up flights to all Australian cities and would also collect free access to the Pacific, which would impress the Americans no end.

Maybe he's off to DXB to negotiate a swap....QF A380's for EK A350's...:8

A long range 2 engine jet for QF? Nah.....that might make the business profitable again...cant have that, can we?

Regardless of what happens in the next few months...the little maggots time at the helm is fast coming to an end. We can only hope that idiot Clifford goes with him

Rumours are getting stronger, Emirates takeover of Qantas soon. :(

Maybe AJ has gone there not only to hand over the keys, but to do a deal for himself with the new owners. :eek:

Not possible under the QSA.

Labor and Greens will not support a change so it will not be amended.

Government debt guarantee the most likely outcome.

As there are 6 more B747's approaching the next "D" check, they will join the rest of the fleet at Victorville. As no replacement aircraft have been ordered (or optioned), it's obvious that more international routes will have to be abandoned (or gifted to Emirates). The JNB route (currently very high yielding) is probably the easiest one to drop by selling seats on EK but this will be very unpopular with the passengers as it means a very significant increase in travel time. SAA may take the opportunity to have a near monopoly on the SA-OZ route by adding to their daily JNB-PER operation and fly direct services to Sydney (providing they have the aircraft available). Other potential winners out of QF abandoning the route are SingAir and Malaysian as flights from East Coast Ausralia to JNB via Changi or KL would have shorter travel times than via Dubai.

Perhaps a decent investigative journalist will run with this before QF announces it, thus making it more difficult for this incompetent management to proceed with this plan.

What The said: "Not possible under the QSA.

Labor and Greens will not support a change so it will not be amended.

Government debt guarantee the most likely outcome."

For as long as I have been around you'd think that I would know better than to postulate a sensible possibility as a likely outcome-like an EK buyout.

The government loan scenario is probably more likely, depressing as that is.

There must be a nifty German word to describe the happiness at keeping your airline alive a little longer coupled with the abject horror of watching your tax dollars further enable a pack of c*nts work to ensure its eventual extinction.

Precisely. The loan guarantee simply enables "the game" to be continued for longer, and hence maximise their bezel. It further enables the continuation of the asset strip, not only impoverishing the shareholders & employees, but also the taxpayer.

Not one additional dollar will be put into an Australian based business if the government does decide to back the debt. Rent seeking at its finest.

The rhetorical question is why wouldn't they try it on? They have nothing to lose, and the potential to pick-up a large windfall tax payer rent seeker bonus.

QF PER Base A330
 

The ongoing rumour of a QF A330 pilots base in Per to do regional and JNB flying, once the A332 come back from Death Star. Q: can the A332 do Per-Jnb with the current Etops requirements:confused:?