The only winners will be Virgin and Emirates.......:rolleyes:

Jetstar may be bigger than Qantas one day.

Then again, maybe Qantas won't own JQ one day.

Everything Qantas management has done displays Jetstar to be the Ammaaaazing business it is.

Sell JQ to let's say an Asian Bank, another airline? Then see how it performs outside the umbrella of the Qantas group.

They could never produce a prospectus that wouldn't find them going to jail at a later date.

He is correct.

Well there's your problem!
 

Just how many CEOs are we up to now? I've lost count.

And how many Chief Pilots are we up to now?

There's your problem.

Multiples of CEOs and Chief pilots more than is required and a huge layer of yes men, greasy pole climbers and sycophants telling the bloated upper management what a great job they're doing, while further insulating the coal face from those that are driving investment and policy.

Meanwhile you have a compliance industry hanging off the airline like a leach making millions out of their respective empires. Safety and Security being the main culprits. Not saying there isn't a place for both, but if I see another sign painted on a car park, or video telling me how to cross a road I'm going to choke someone. This is the reason it is so expensive to run a business in this country. Just how much does Qantas pay per annum to these parasites when our international competitors don't have to?

I don't know how much longer this can last. Even if the whole board and management were given their marching orders tomorrow, and a board and management with airline experience were parachuted in, I don't think it's possible to recover from here. We're beyond critical mass.

Start looking for jobs elsewhere.

100%.

A business that has totally lost any attachment to what it was set up to do.

A catastrophic failure of key components has occurred.

The change has been from 'provide what our customers want to the best of our ability' to 'provide what gives management the best financial reward possible'.

It is abhorrent.

Isdon,
I don't know what your background is but that is one of the most succinct summaries of the litany of failures that Qantas management (loose term) has foisted upon a very, very loyal workforce, that I have read.

And I totally agree. Get out now while you can still cut a reasonable deal for yourself. After the collapse (and whether it is total or not matters little) we will be a dime a dozen in the marketplace.

I am disgusted and appalled, but you speak the truth.

Let's get back on toipc, and that is Jetstar 787's. :)

Sorry Tid.

You're right of course.

Forgive me a spray as a soon to be demoted F/O with 30 years flying experience.

Back on topic.

Ok tidbin, get your point. BUT....

Jetstar IS the thread drift - the 787's are nothing to do with it!!

Oh the irony:(

OOL - NRT - can't do it with full load :}

no worries, chunk up the donks!!!

oops…pylons not rated.

no worries, chunk up the pylons!!

oops…4 year lead in time. can be retrofitted after then.

anyone else, you'd be shocked. But the morons who run QF/JQ…its just comical.

Not to worry, someone will have received a nice bonus for all these amaaaaaaaaaaaazing decisions.:D

I keep hearing those rumours but no one in any position of authority ever comes attached to them.

Anyone know why VH-VKB has been banished to the naughty corner (Taxiway G) in Cairns for the last week?
Looks like it only flew ML-CNS and has been parked ever since.

Its an operational spare, just in case.

Yair. Right. Especially when the other 787 operates, for the time being, solely between Melbourne and Denpasar. Makes a mockery of their spin, don't it?

Someone say 'heavy landing'?

It's undergoing its CASA check? Cheaper to park it up there than elsewhere.

Why Cairns when Jetstar has their very own wide body hangar in Melbourne ( nice when you can get big brother to gift you such infrastructure rather than pay for and build your own!) that often sits empty during the day with all the hangar lights blazing?

Good job somebody else is paying the bills! :ugh:

So the "blue shirt boys landed heavy did they"?
The future of the Qantas Group no doubt!
How many man hours involved with ultra sonic inspection after such, on a carbon fibre structure?????
God help us!!!

That last post was comedy surely?

"It's called being smart with MUM'S money"...... There, I fixed it for ya.

Narr just another Jetstar Cadet with no idea.

Black prince, like hell it was freely available! It was a very actively used wide body (767 & A330) hangar until Qantas management decided to gift it to the orange cancer.

Any assertion to the contrary is a display of complete ignorance.

Its very smart to park multiple jets in various parts of the world and not use them?

Management were so generous they even had contractors swarm the hangar to carry out repairs to the aircon and heating which has not worked for years.

cairns post article from jan 4

for what its worth

Isn't the type added to a carrier's AOC. Does the spin-doctor know what he's talking about. Like,JETSTAR taking delivery of its first 787-900? Is he dreaming? And why did this particular aircraft sit on the ground in Melbourne from 13Dec until it appeared in Cairns on New Year's Eve? Pre-service mods? As a LCC, shouldn't JETSTAR accept delivery and fly revenue services ASAP thereafter?

"nice when you can get big brother to gift you such infrastructure rather than pay for and build your own!"

As apposed to the QF hangers in SYD paid for by ME, the tax payer.

Can you please sell them and give me my money back then build your own.

Sometimes there might be a short delay in fitting customer equipment to a new airliner, although any plane should be essentially ready to go from the factory. A month on the ground at probably a million dollars in lease or money costs should never be part of the calculus for anything but the first hull.

Route proving*, staff familiarization, CASA last minute stuff all takes time, but all of that should have been satisfied with the first plane. An aircraft untouched on an apron obviously is contributing nothing to those activities either.

I did hear that the second and third aircraft were going to be stored for awhile owing to lack of sufficient crew, but I find that hard to credit. (Except of course when I consider the context)

*route proving: why? What is learned ferrying aircraft all over routes already well lubricated by previous similar types?

What part of the government sell-off eludes you? Money was returned to the treasury which was money you didn't have to pay in additional tax. (In theory)

No wonder everything costs twice as much as it should in this country...

We, the lemmings, sit idly by and let it happen..:sad:

route proving
 

Australopithecus,

I guess the answer to that would be easily established by identifying the formal route proving reports that have made nil comment (which if planned and executed properly should be the outcome) versus those that have identified real issues. Having flown a few and had to cover our tracks because documentation, ground handling, airport liaison, etc wasn't completed or up to scratch, I'd say they serve a purpose as a huge financial incentive not to accept 'near enough is good enough'.

Of course, if the FOI on board has no idea (which anecdotally seems to be on the increase), then it is less defensible as a concept.

What a load of tripe!

This was unscheduled...I smell a RAT

Short of qualified crew you say? A middle eastern airline can fix that with a plethora of CASA licensed, B787 endorsed pilots.

Problem solved, get that plane flying!

The spin is flying thick and fast, something is not right. You do not leave a 787 sitting on the tarmac for days or weeks on end!

What this country badly need is a few journos who don't believe that cutting and pasting a press release is the way to report a story, but actually asking some questions might be a good idea.:ugh:

The third Jetstar 787 arrived YMML early this am.

Wonder where they will store this one? Woomera perhaps?

Transition layer,
It's pretty early on to be smelling rats, don't you think? :=

from fridays weekly missive thats floating around now

apart from the akl services which havent seemed to eventuate, they actually manage to make it sound like its all going to plan

Is CASA back from holidays?
 

If CASA is back from holidays maybe it will get in the air soon.
If the rumour I heard is true, the second one sitting in Cairns was delivered too close to Christmas and Jetstar didn't get all the paperwork sorted before the required CASA staff went on holidays.
Can anyone confirm another good effort by management?

I hope the loads on MEL DPS MEL are on the way up.
You couldn't book a ticket online for a while where the 787 replaced the 330!
QANTAS web site for that sector refered QF/JQ 35,36 to Jetstar website where there was no flight. Even flight centre, webjet didn't have the JQ direct flights available.
Jetstar call centre staff said, sorry no direct flight as the 787 is subject to regulatory approval....wtf? So you can't book a seat on an existing route....

No wonder the 'group' is losing millions.....

According to Jetstar source, VH-VKA has operated MEL-DPS return everyday since the 18th December. I wonder what the plan was if it had gone tech? and what to do about the potential PR fallout for the holiday makers who would have been inconvenienced.