Qantas 787's and possible 747 freighter's? What's the latest rumour?
I have done a search and all the threads have ended up being closed. On our lunch break the other day, we were trying to work out what was going on and thought someone on pprune may of been keeping track.
So our questions are; Does anyone know what's the latest rumour with the 787? So correct me if I'm wrong, jetstar will be receiving 15 787-8's and Qantas will receive 10 787-something's and 35 787 orders have been cancelled right? Jetstar will be receiving the 787-8 first? The 35 cancelled orders, have they been cancelled or put on hold for a later date? Now the 747 freighter... Does anyone have any information? Or is it another 777 rumour that floats around every couple of years. |
Jetstar will receive 14 787-8 supposedly from Aug/ Sep this year- QF cancelled the 15th a little while ago AND got a pay out for it.
As they get them, A330s will come back to QF. Beyond those 14, the QF group have zero firm orders but have 35 (I think... may be out on that one, perhaps 50?) fully convertible options on 787-9s available for delivery (as of today's date anyway) from 2016 onwards. Whether Boeing can deliver them in that time frame remains to be seen. I reckon you're right about the 747 freighter. It's up there with the 777. |
eyond those 14, the QF group have zero firm orders but have 35 (I think... may be out on that one, perhaps 50?) fully convertible options on 787-9s available for delivery (as of today's date anyway) from 2016 onwards. Whether Boeing can deliver them in that time frame remains to be seen. We were a bit unsure about all the convertible options on the 787's that qf may end up receiving in the future. Just wondering are the mainline pilots going to fly the 787 or is that still unknown like it is for engineering? |
My understanding is the Qantas Group B787 status as currently announced is 14 firm orders for JQ, zero orders for Mainline, zero options and 50 "intentions to buy". Joyce may have intentions to convert them to orders/options but he's playing his cards close to his chest and the managers below him know bugger all.
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Thanks for the added info Going Boeing.
Mainline pilots flying the 787? Our award covers the introduction of new types. Whether QF intends to use mainline pilots is the $64 question. I should clarify the freighter option a bit too. If I recall correctly, the board has actually approved the acquisition of two 744 freighters? My understanding is that they're for EFA. I think they (the 'royal they' as in the group, not EFA, mainline engineering, etc) are already discussing how to integrate them into the system of maintenance. Whether there is some sort of crewing arrangement for mainline crews, who knows. Past behaviour being a good indicator of future behaviour I would suggest that EFA will crew them whilst mainline crews continue to burn down excess leave- to the net detriment of the group bottom line but it'll make a couple of managers KPIs look awesome. :ugh: |
So much for the biggest fleet orders and QF getting the shot in the arm it needed.
Just like the 777...QF miss the boat and get the old A330's back :yuk: Had a great trip to and from LAX on QF recently, shame its is my last. Not my last trip, just QF.:ugh: |
Just was reading this article in the news today.
AUSTRALIAN flag carrier Qantas says that the delivery of its first Boeing's 787 Dreamliner may be delayed by "a couple of months" but reiterated its backing for the troubled aircraft. Qantas International chief executive Simon Hickey told reporters in Singapore that the first of 14 Dreamliners ordered by Qantas is now expected to be delivered "sometime after August" due to battery problems. Asked how long after August -- the month of delivery previously mentioned by Qantas -- Hickey said: "It wouldn't be more than a couple of months." The Dreamliners were grounded globally on January 16 after a series of overheating problems with the cutting-edge plane's lithium-ion battery system. "I think the aircraft is a phenomenal aircraft," Hickey told reporters after launching a new Qantas lounge at Singapore's Changi Airport. "What it does is provide the economics of a jumbo with a much more number of seats which is fantastic. So you can get either frequency or distribution strength by using an aircraft such as the 787," he said. "We're still very committed to the 787." In addition to the 14 B787-8 planes on order, Qantas has retained purchase rights for 50 of the B787-9 variant, he said. The Dreamliners were grounded after a battery caught fire in a parked Japan Airlines 787 at Boston's Logan Airport and battery smoke forced an emergency landing of an All Nippon Airways 787 in Japan. On March 12, the US Federal Aviation Administration approved Boeing's plan for testing the batteries as the first step toward the plane's return to flight. Hickey said the problems with the Dreamliner batteries were part of "teething issues with any new aircraft that has ever been available to put in the air". "I still think it's a fantastic aircraft," he added. Read more: Qantas says Dreamliner delivery delayed | News.com.au |
Why is the CEO of Qantas International making a comment on the 787?
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Marc whatever his name is who designs the seats may have let that slip on a flight recently.:cool:
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"What it does is provide the economics of a jumbo with a much more number of seats which is fantastic. So you can get either frequency or distribution strength by using an aircraft such as the 787," he said. Anyway :( I hope u r right What The but gave up holding my breath years ago |
Originally Posted by Capt Kremin
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Why is the CEO of Qantas International making a comment on the 787?
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400 surplus pilots, half of which are on leave of absence.
SH talking about the 787 at the new premium lounge in Singapore. CP INTL stating the three year flying plan won't see redundancies. Nah. Surely they wouldn't be thinking of providing premium 787 services to Asia. We're talking QF here. |
Dont have a rego, but ZA215 VH- is now on the production line.
Shouldn't be too long until a shot of it surfaces over the next week or two.. BA's first 787 sighting. http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-co...3/04/BA787.jpg |
The other thing worth mentioning is that QF Flight Ops ability to keep a secret has improved dramatically. The PER base landed upon a completely unsuspecting pilot group. No pilot I'd spoken to in the lead up to the training slots being released had mentioned it even as a possibility.
Therefore, whilst I'm more likely to think that IF (and it's still a massive IF) QF change their minds about the 787, then no one will know about it until AJ announces it. Coincidentally, he has a press conference scheduled for 10am Monday morning. :ok: |
Maybe.... But the 330 PER base is set up to receive the Stolen generation back.
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There has been chatter about "looking for the right opportunity to exit JQI"... ie how to save face.
No doubt we will all be proved wrong tomorrow when AJ stands up and announces another airline to undercut the under cutters....:rolleyes: Or will we? |
There has been a bit of talk about a late change to the allocation of the 787-8. I remember at a management pow wow we were told that 'QF dont want the 800, not as good as advertised, JQ can have em'.......
Also rumours that the QF cabin design team were recently rushed over to the states, and after a few too many chardy's on the way home one let slip that they had been tasked to quickly do the interiors for QF 787's One JQ 330 dude i sat next to on a paxing flight recently told me the loads between Oz and Narita had been very low.....the lowest he'd seen was 40 odd pax, and he wouldnt be surprised if JQI was slowly wound down... Who knows...interesting to see. Although given AJ's history for letting QF down, it will probably be a press conference to announce the appointment to the board of another private equity guru with zero airline experience....:rolleyes: |
..... and why was OW the cover story of the Australian Mag this weekend??
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Taking the "link" off Qantaslink and an order for 318/319 busses.
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Taking the "link" off Qantaslink and an order for 318/319 busses. |
The bad news usually gets announced on Fridays at 5pm, so maybe it won't be so bad for once :confused:
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What the said :
Taking the "link" off Qantaslink and an order for 318/319 busses. |
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.... and why was OW the cover story of the Australian Mag this weekend?? Anyway OW, good luck with whatever you do next. :ok: |
Originally Posted by OneDotLow
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There has been chatter about "looking for the right opportunity to exit JQI"... ie how to save face.
No doubt we will all be proved wrong tomorrow when AJ stands up and announces another airline to undercut the undercutters |
Joyce is announcing that QF is recruiting pilots again, so all the oldies hanging around for 'their' redundancy payout can just retire instead.
(You know - all the same guys who claim that Dixon/Joyce have their snouts in the trough and don't understand the idiom 'The pot calling the kettle black'.....) :ok: |
Nothing earth shattering....
Today Qantas and the New South Wales Government will announce a new $30 million partnership to promote Sydney and regional NSW to the world. It’s the largest tourism and major events marketing partnership in the State’s history and involves Qantas matching the NSW Government dollar for dollar to attract more international visitors particularly from the United States, United Kingdom, Continental Europe, China, South-East Asia, Japan and New Zealand. |
Not that we're a Sydneycentric airline, or anything.
P.S. We'll retire when we are damned good and ready. Young man, if you feel you have a birthright to promotion, then you should be promoting VR, not division. We are not here for your benefit. |
Where is the majority of Australia's population based...
Supply and demand... |
To answer your question directly T - Vasis . . . the majority of Australia's population is not located in NSW :). Still, I guess it means QF will no longer be referred to as the 'national carrier'.
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Another AJ tantie where he takes his money away from his former BFF just because he can ???
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747 F
No longer a rumour- just announced, 1 747 freighter.
True to form, current surplus on the jumbo not to be utilised. The rot continues. |
But didn't we all sign the bog roll of enchantment together???!!!
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Its ok, just another head of training, head of flight ops 747, head of etc, etc.
Unbelievable:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ug h: But at least previous pilots with efa, are up in singapore completing 787 training for jetstar. Its all about the opportunity!:=:=:= |
EFA is already setup, and even though I can understand the frustration of current 747 pilots in QF under utilised, there is no way in hell that the flying will be under the Longhaul Contract, even with excess crew atm I still reckon it would be more expensive for EFA 747's to be crewed by current Longhaul crews. It will be under a different contract so legally the company can't use the crews because they can't force people on to the new contract unless they choose to. He'll LWOP is available so if you want to fly for them apply, I can guarantee there is no Cargo flight crew contract anywhere that resembles at all a QF Longhaul conditions......they are for pax flying not cargo. The flying is available and you can do it with a LWOP, at least the offer is there... Good luck.
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I wouldnt be so sure that the 744 flying will be available to QF LWOP crew.....
The guys at EFA will get first option, as they should. While it makes more sense (from one perspective) to let the QF 744 guys swap over, it is a separate operation. If QF had new 737's, and EFA had a surplus, would we allow EFA crew to just come across? I bloody hope not. QF SO's etc should get first options. As has been said, at least the option for LWOP is there (whether it be 737/767 or 744). Much better than being given a blanket 'NO', as per Jetstar 2004...... |
And just where will the startup cost of the EFA 747 op come from? I'm sure they will write their own ops manuals, training programs etc etc. BS!!!!!!!! I'm sure that they will use QF training, QF maintenance, QF sims, QF manuals, QF procedures, QF IOC, just about everything except QF pilots. I'm sure they will pay market rates for all the info too.:mad:
As to the expense of paying Pax rates for cargo. It would seem pilots at our new best buddies at EK do both but that can't happen here. No no no. |
Where did you find that out nigel747?
With the jetstar 787's, I thought jetstar mainline pilots were flying them? |
To play devil's advocate...
It would seem pilots at our new best buddies at EK do both but that can't happen here. No no no. Fuel-Off :ok: |
Qantas Updates Freighter Aircraft 747-400ERF apparently.
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