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tail wheel 14th Jul 2008 12:55

From CEO John McCormick

I wish to advise that Deputy Director, Mick Quinn has decided to leave CASA with effect from the 29th January, 2010.

Mick has seen significant change within CASA in the two years he has been with the organisation, both under the former CEO, Bruce Byron and myself.

I would like to thank Mick for his support and contribution to CASA particularly in recent times with his involvement in the PNG assistance program.

I would like you to join me in wishing Mick well in his future endeavours.

John McCormick
Director of Aviation Safety

gobbledock 21st Jan 2010 07:46

CASA Chess Game
 
From CEO John McCormick
I wish to advise that Deputy Director, Mick Quinn has decided to leave CASA with effect from the 29th January, 2010.
Mick has seen significant change within CASA in the two years he has been with the organisation, both under the former CEO, Bruce Byron and myself.
I would like to thank Mick for his support and contribution to CASA particularly in recent times with his involvement in the PNG assistance program.
I would like you to join me in wishing Mick well in his future endeavours.

John McCormick
Director of Aviation Safety

7mile 21st Jan 2010 09:26

PNG has enough problems of its own without any assistance from CASA:ugh:

crocodile redundee 22nd Jan 2010 04:28

Poor Old CASA. The saga goes on & on & on & on. Deckchairs come & go, World war one standards & World war one thinking. No wonder Aviation is well & truly Stuffed in this country........

hardNfast 22nd Jan 2010 04:54

Anything you do with Casa is just one big chess game. Always ends in stalemate.:mad:

Dangly Bits 22nd Jan 2010 12:45

Mick has gone, the Manager in charge of Oversight went to Jetstar, the manager of Air Transport went to Strategic. Anyone see a pattern here?

gobbledock 23rd Jan 2010 01:11

yep
 
And that aint the half of what's been going on.
Rats deserting the ship.

Frank Burden 25th Jan 2010 23:33

CASA Spill
 
Seems the moving of the chess pieces continue with three very senior appointments now being advertised. Are they all leaving?:suspect: Look at Careers at CASA:

http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dl...D::pc=PC_92940

Timber 26th Jan 2010 05:14

The CASA 49ers perhaps?

my oleo is extended 26th Jan 2010 08:52

Clear and Transparent Process !
 
Timber, absolute gold mate !

The CASA 49ers perhaps?
Frank Burden,

Seems the moving of the chess pieces continue with three very senior appointments now being advertised. Are they all leaving?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/cwm13.gif Look at Careers at CASA:
The jobs you are referring too are 'phantom jobs'. The top brass who are carrying out these roles do so under the terms of 'temporary positions', being the jobs aren't supposedly filled,they are only being done on a temporary basis, however the gents filling these roles have to abide by 'due process' within a 'clear and transparent' environment so the jobs have officially been approved, and advertised.However before you or perhaps Frank Arouet, myself or anybody else thinks about applying, don't bother. The current people 'acting' in these roles are already the 'successful' candidates and will be staying on !!

CASA 6 vs 8 - 'And I saw, and look, a pale horse, and the one seated upon it had the name Mick. And Oversight was closely following him. And Civil Aviation Safety AUTHORITY was given them over the regulatory part of aviation, to punish with thy long sword of 'penalty points',and with RCA, and with audit, and with findings by the Inspectorate of the earth.
Amen

kimwestt 26th Jan 2010 11:05

gobbledock
 
CEO (JMcC) has departed another management type. Seriously reliable rumour has it that the uninformable, unadvisable JMcC's tenure is very close to ending in tears.
Can't say that one is surprised given the style of correspondence that emanates from his office.
QED:mad:

topend3 26th Jan 2010 12:20

The guy is a tool, I came to this conclusion after listening to him rant for 45 minutes at an industry seminar...

Captain Dart 27th Jan 2010 05:17

I agree, a lunatic is in charge of the asylum.

flying-spike 27th Jan 2010 08:30

Ah Pierre!
 
"and his style of communication and man mangement don't seem to have changed. "

Isn't it wonderful to see a critic of man management skills and communication when he can't even spell the word management

SeldomFixit 27th Jan 2010 08:42

There would seem to be a consensus here :oh:

Frank Burden 27th Jan 2010 08:54

Read your post oleo has been extended but how can they be phantom jobs if they have been advertised. There must be a process and someone who checks that it is followed. Would this be the role of someone like the Chariman of the Board or Minister ALebanesi?

If CASA as a regulator can't be relied on to follow the public service process then what credibility do they have with industry? Given your thoughts, definitely leaving my resume on file for the next BIG ONE!:}

flying-spike 27th Jan 2010 08:56

Consensus?
 
Yes, it would all mean something if those forming the "consensus" were knowledgeable of the facts. If not, it is just noise. From what I know I think Oleo is on the money though.

flying-spike 27th Jan 2010 09:04

Lets connect a few dots
 
Restructure occurs, new positions created, incumbent in a basicly redundent position resigns at the end of contract. Positions arising from restructure become "established". CASA follows process, opens the new positions to application. Temporary position holders re apply and if they have been performing and are the top candidates get made substantive.
No intrigue, no walking the plank and no conspiracy.

my oleo is extended 27th Jan 2010 09:11

Think I Might
 
Oh well, maybe I am right, and maybe I am wrong ?
But if they can hire MQ on 300k then surely they will hire me, and I will do the job for say 250k ? And for that kind of coin I will even throw in 2 interviews per calendar year with Today Tonight !

lotus27 27th Jan 2010 23:40

MQ
 
Where is he now?

grip-pipe 30th Jan 2010 20:06

Here's the Count for th 09'ers
 
Interesting post. From a reliable source here is the count since JM was made CEO/DAS of CASA:

S. Carmody DCEO
M. Quinn DCEO
M. Hart Industry Complaints Commissioner
C. Farelly IT Head
B. Edwards Chief Financial Officer
G. Vaughan Head GAOG Operations and Airworthiness

Then you can add the numerous next tier of managers already mentioned and then some more and those moved sideways to unrelated roles like the former head of AEG (recruited from Virgin) who is parked in education and training.

I would say the 09's is an apt group pseudonym. Lot of integrity has walked.

Draw your own conclusions.

gobbledock 31st Jan 2010 09:14

S.S CASA
 
Don't forget the others to walk out :

* Over two thirds of the Safety Sytems Specialists
* A number of the Air Transport Inspectors. And those remaining are trying to bail.
* Mainline Field Office Managers.
* Several Ops Managers and temorary position holders of that title.

Grip pipe -

S. Carmody DCEO
M. Hart Industry Complaints Commissioner
C. Farelly IT Head
B. Edwards Chief Financial Officer
G. Vaughan Head GAOG Operations and Airworthiness
* Carmody was by far the best candidate for CEO, and came close, but the fact that he 'hasn't flown' passenger jets was the reason he was denied. A ridiculous and outdated reason. Incredibly the old school still believe that unless you have sat up front of a jet, you can't hold down the 'top job'. Since when does being a pilot make you an automatic executive manager ? Anyway, SC was smart, bailed and took a much better position elsewhere.
* Farelly and Edwards are a non issue and there will be no problem replacing them. They weren't underperforming, just saw the writing on the wall and grabbed a liferaft.
* Vaughan lost a fight with and got punted back to CBR. Eventually he decided enough was enough and pulled the pin, sick of all the crap.
* Michael Hart is the biggest mystery, perhaps any 'insiders' could explain why he slipped out the back door quietly one cold Canberra evening ?
* And lets not forget that in amongst all this 'mire', the old school and deadwood still remain tucked away within their coccoons. A joke.

Safe skies for all ??

This list that seems to be growing is not the final tally, with a host of others jumping ship. And the one's leaving of their own free will are ones that were actually good value and making positive inroads, so that must tell you something ?

Joker 10 31st Jan 2010 10:11

Reality is if you as a CEO rely on bluff , bluster, and I am the only source of truth and enlightenment, then there is only one absolute result = you will fail.

McM like Toller is bound to fail, legends in their own lunch box, creative masters of "I am always right", "I amthe anointed one"

Creatures of the Cathay Methodology of inviolate distinction , we are the ruling class, Industrial Relations Masters.

My grand father had a great saying , " Hiding the truth is like trying to hide the fact you farted in the bath, your hands just can't move fast enough to hde the physisical evidence, and the truth will prevail.

My bet is on the bath water !!!!!! despite the RAAF training.

Timber 31st Jan 2010 12:26

CASA imploding ..... ?
 
Looks like this is developing into a real screaming emergency.
The government will have to take some quick and decisive action otherwise there will be nothing of any use left...!
Maybe we can tender the whole job out to the FAA or the NZ CAA?

LeadSled 31st Jan 2010 15:26

Folks,
How about subbing out to PNG CAA, (NZ rule book, paid for by the taxpayers of Australia as the Balus Project) they have some good blokes there now, including one G.Vaughan Esq.
Tootle pip!!

gobbledock 1st Feb 2010 00:15

Options
 
What about the FAA as an option to run the Regulator ? They think they own the universe, plus they have around 6000 Inspectors so they actually have enough staff to perform regulatory functions .
Another possibility is Darth, since his retirement from QF he has been very bored and is always looking for an organisation to skin to the bone and outsource ? Whoops, nobody left at CASA to skin !
As for PNG, aren't there other CASA people over their working now ? And if that is true, things must be pretty bad in AUS to throw in the towel and to PNG ??
Sounds like the Regulators GPWS is sounding !

Mainframe 1st Feb 2010 04:00

Gobbledock

agree with most of your observations, particularly Michael Hart, Industry Complaints Commissioner walking.

After time with ASIO, and 12 years in the NSW Independant Commission Against Corruption (ICAC), very little could disturb this man,yet CASA beat him.

And yes, he saw the Venn report as well, a report that may never be available for public scrutiny.

JM is easing the ones sidelined by Byron back into positions contradictory to their established characters, and the usual RAAF / Cathay then CASA types.

Legal Services has seen a promotion instead of a goodbye to Perry Mason.

And guess who else is in the group of Byron discards waiting to get back in.

And to cap it all off, CASA now has a board to further insulate itself.

Not only lunatics in charge of the asylum, but maybe a Dracula or two in charge of the blood bank as well.

gobbledock 1st Feb 2010 11:00

http://www.1000misspenthours.com/pos...amingskull.jpg

parabellum 1st Feb 2010 21:42

I must admit I was quite disappointed by the CASA selection process. With 36 years in flying, 20,000hrs+, hands on experience in Europe, Middle East, Far East, flying military and civil rotary, GA, light turbo props, small, medium and large jets, international route experience on relevant types, majority of hours 'in-command', Current licence etc. etc. and I couldn't even get an interview for either Ops Officer or Inspector. Wasn't looking for a career, just ten or so years putting bread on the table and hopefully something back into the industry.

"You do not appear to have a proven track record or background in Check and Training" This was in Tollers day and I have subsequently been told that such an attitude is 22 carat pure CX.

The assumption that anyone in C & T is the bees knees baffles me. Some get there because they have a natural ability to train and assess but far too many get there because they see it as their right of passage, due seniority, or they simply hang around the office a lot and ask for it!!!

crocodile redundee 1st Feb 2010 22:39

Dont lose any sleep over it. You would have done no good, & would feel miserable trying. Many have tried before you & left shortly after . Its the "System" that is to blame. The sad thing is Nothing will ever change!!!!!

indamiddle 1st Feb 2010 22:57

gobbledock,
don't think darth will have the time. currently on the board of tourism australia (snout in the trough) and has just been tasked with coordinating the aussie bid for soccer world cup 2018/2022. i wonder what the chances are he is still with us by then.
hope you didn't mean 'FAAA', what a nightmare, getting failed for grooming checks!

Mainframe 2nd Feb 2010 00:22

Indamiddle

Darth is also retained as a paid advisor by the Queensland Government in their jobs creation scheme.

Probably will work out how he can save them a bundle by sending their Qld Rail coal loco's to SE Asia for maintenance.

Joker 10 2nd Feb 2010 00:50

Parabellum, Look at it as a Lucky Escape from the clutches of the house of doom.

Frank Burden 2nd Feb 2010 08:08

Did we miss Clive of Strategic as one of the senior managers that have left?;)

Cactusjack 2nd Feb 2010 11:47

Truth be known
 
Mainframe,

Probably will work out how he can save them a bundle by sending their Qld Rail coal loco's to SE Asia for maintenance
Now that is funny. If Darth is successful with the soccer bid, will he then outsource that to Asia also , along with the Loco's ?
Maybe Darth will join the The Sydney Harbour Bridge preservation society, and send portions overseas for maintenance as well ?

ratpoison 2nd Feb 2010 23:31


Maybe we can tender the whole job out to the FAA or the NZ CAA?
Well, seems as though it has been tendered to other parts of the third world like everything else in Oz. Just take a look at your licence and see who the 'delegate' of CASA is and the 'Principle Medical Officer'. Enough said.:ugh:

nortwinds 5th Feb 2010 00:36

Joker 10, maybe it would not be as much "the house of doom" if they chose to employ more people of the knowledge and experience calibre of Parabellum.

Joker 10 5th Feb 2010 01:12

Nortwinds, You are no doubt right, but the entrenched miasamic ex RAAF and low time pretenders will never let true ex[pertise into their cosy bureacratic wonderland.

It is a closed shop.

SeldomFixit 5th Feb 2010 03:46

The easiest way to expose mediocrity has been and always will be, in a Gov't or semi Gov't environment, to introduce real talent at ANY level. Jmc wasn't, isn't, is not likely to be.:suspect:

UNCTUOUS 5th Feb 2010 08:23

Wonder if JMac would give me a job? I would be pretty useless in a CASA type role, but I was his instructor at Pearce and got him through (despite his OQ's being worse than mine - which he had to work at - he did scrape through on ability and sheer obnoxious cussedness).

Drank like a fish as I recall, but then again so did I. I've always suspected that it was he who'd always hide my bike so I had to walk back to the MQ after emerging half (or full) drunik from the Cadet's Mess bar.

But I've had the last laugh. I've still got a full head of hair. That'd probably nix me at any interview however.


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