I seem to recall our union defending a certain LAME in Brissy over being harassed and intimidated by a QANTAS manager.Will my union defend me if I am harassed and intimidated by my work colleagues for doing a small amount of overtime?....Steve.....??.(yeah I know,I know,look at the big picture.And when I ask my union rep to explain what the "big picture" is he can't)

EWANQF:

How about you grow some mate?? We're not in kindergarten here. If you want to do O/T (along with "the other anal sphincter muscles working O/T"-to quote QF94) then that's your choice..

Well if its my choice to work O/T,then dont harass me.If you voted for this EBA,then you are obliged to work within it.If you want to make a stand,go for it.But dont dictate your unwanted hatred for the company to your fellow workmates. And before you start down the "whoa is me I am about to become redundant" line.I have had redundancies in the past,so dont tell me to grow some.Go and talk to any of the Heavy brothers in Brissy if you want to get a feeling of this "unoffical O/T ban".They are working more O/T than ever before.Tell them to stop working it and they will kick your arse out of that hangar,and politely remind you to mind to your own business.Hell,even the union reps are doin O/T.

"the anal sphincter muscles are working O/T"
Maybe not quoted in the context it was intended, but yes, yes they are..

Who's harassing you? I just told you to grow up!

No hatred for the company here mate..quite the opposite actually. I only have issues with some of it's employees, including blokes who piss into the wind and then complain they got wet. My workmates are decent blokes.


I appreciate that you have had the rough end of the stick and it is a travesty that it happens, but engaging in an action you know to be divisive and emotive and then complaining that your workmates don't blow you kisses anymore as a result is just plain silly. That's something kids do. Man-up!


That's their prerogative just like it's yours, but how about you come and share these sentiments at the meeting on Wednesday so we can all get the picture?

I'm quite sure the union will defend the right people.

The eba no longer states you must work over time, in fact quite the opposite.

I'd be interested if the fatigue management policy is being managed at all.

If so, I'd wonder how many have exceeded their safe quota and if management is aware.

1me,the only divisive and emotive issue where I am working is having to cop unofficial O/T ban "pressure" from the union/reps/workmates.I would say 99% of the guys on my crew don't believe it is going to make 1 ounce of difference in saving most of the jobs.Quite the opposite,if no one does O/T,would the bean counters not look at that port/work area,and deem that they must be overstaffed.Do you really think that doing O/T for someone who has gone sick is going to save anyones job in Sydney,now that is childish.Agreed,it is sad that people will lose their jobs,but hey people are losing their jobs in every industry daily.At least the company is offering alternative employment in Brissy Hangars,with transfer packages.The mood is changing,LAMES just want to come to work,do their job and go home.The union reps know the feelings of the LAMES in other ports outside of Sydney.And no,I am not burying my head in the sand,this is the new reality,things are changing rapidly and even if the engineering is being run into the ground,there really is nothing you can do.(ie they shut the bloody airline down last time it got tough...don't you remember).Its time to move on 1me,no one outside of QANTAS really cares about working in the rain at 2am during winter.You chose this industry,I chose this industry.I am going to stick with it as long as I can.And if that means adapting to change,then that is what I will do.

I have no idea what you are on but bean counters do not think like this. They see work being completed, great, we must have too many people. Bean counters are not employed to count. They are employed to tell management what they want to hear. In this case if they say, yes Chris sack 20% of your staff, he is wrapt and they get their 5 million for saying it.

I think you are assuming that bean counters are logical thinkers like us.

Fedsec,so you are saying ,if the work is completed regularly with O/T or the work is completed with no O/T the end result is the same?.Flawed logic me thinks.And no I am not on anything......yet.

They only thing they understand is delays.

Go work overtime, get the aircraft out on time, pat yourself on the back and watch them sack you or your fellow colleagues.

Can I answer with a question?

WTF would the work be completed if Qantas kind find enough boys to work the needed overtime?

Or dont work overtime, show the company that they cant even keep the operation working, even without forced redundancies. And then maybe, just maybe they might have to question their numbers!

A the end of the day mate, everybody has to make their own choice. However the only way to make progress here is to ensure Qantas knows you exist. That means they absolutely need to feel it when you are not there regardless of the need for overtime. If one fails on that point you lose everything.

It is very simple Ewan and if your butt can't stop twitching, plug it until this is all over.

Like I said,go and talk to Brissy Heavy guys.If they do no O/T, planes goes out late,lose the work,lose their jobs.I am not twitching ABAT.Seen it all before.The only ones twitching are the bully boys who are about to lose their Qantas"job for life".Make hay while the sun shines I say.

It's the past that was destroyed that has caused the current problems of today. NEVER FORGET!!!

Ain't that the truth. Those who ignore the errors of the past are destined to repeat those same errors going forward into the future. Just look at the havoc that Geoff, James, the Wespac chick, Alan, and the polka dotted tie wearing engineering clown have wreaked on the once fine Flag carrier to drag it down to a shadow of its former self.:ugh:
It's a far cry from the place it was when I did my B707, JT3D, and Extension "A" E & I training there in the 70s.:ok:
Good luck to ya all, hang tough, and fight the good fight.:D
Regards, Big E.

My guess is that these are the blokes who happily come in to work O/T.

EWANQF I don't quite follow your logic here. To my reckoning if no O/T was performed there would be less available man hours to acquit maintenance thereby creating backlogs. With people working O/T the available man-hours increase allowing more maintenance to be acquitted. The net result is more aircraft available to the airline. I fail to see how not being able to acquit scheduled maintenance means that a section is overstaffed.

So you'd just rather throw your hands up in the air and give up? "It's too hard..I can't do it.." You may very well be right in that there's not much we can do but why make any easier for them than it should be?

If you read my post then you will find that that is exactly what I'm saying.. nobody cares but us! Adapting to change is one thing EWANQF but to me that doesn't include working O/T when the company is going to push good people out the door under the premise that we are overstaffed!

Will we see you at the meeting on Wednesday?

or maybe just call it ineffective and shut it down.

Romulus, once again, you are one of the few who can wade through the sh1t and put a realistic view on things.