Too bad you can't link audio to that crap boardman, would be more convincing with a violin concerto to accompany it.
Like Elton Jon said, the boys up north are purely milking it for all it's worth, greedy roaches who care less if your missfortunate mates have a job or not.
Come to BDT, you will meet a whole world of people could give a $hit about family or leisure time when they could be doing bugger all on double time.

I'm yet to see any of the few who insist on continuing OT getting hassled Boardman, nor should they.

We are entitled to talk about OT and it's affect on redundancies here or in any other setting. It's not unprotected industrial action to suggest people are best spending their spare time with their families than working OT when they're worried about losing their jobs. Nothing illegal, you're jumping at shadows.

Cashing in on $OT is very short sighted in the current climate.

Good luck to all.

Now there is some good advice.:ok:

Hang on is that not part of the same company that want rid of you.

I believe the EAP is contracted to an outside independant group

Jet-A1

Hassling has happened and I sincererly hope you have no hicups in your life. Mind you some of the people who have hassled pick a weak target. Like I said, some are in positions where they have to roll the dice & take what is right in front of them due to their situation. Some are just greedy too. All I am saying is some (a small few) have no choice but to protect their families right now & worry about the next Wolf at the door when it gets there. That's life.

The peolpe I am thinking of are doing exactly what they were doing OT wise before this all started.

Like I said, I hope for your sake you don't get put into that situation. It is the Devil or The Deep Blue Sea. Surely, you must understand that. If you don't well that is up to you.

To the greedy types that see an opertunity here now, well they will have to live with their decisions on their shoulders.

That's my say.

EAP is indeed contracted out for QF. Davidson Trahaire Corpsych is most likely where you'll end up. Other airlines use it as well :)

TID

Going anywhere near DTC or an EAP is a one way ticket out of any company.

These programs are put there so that senior management does NOT have to consider the consequences of its actions on employee well being and mental health.

To put that another way; even if a senior manager is a psycopath these clowns will sweep up the bodies of his victims and get rid of them. That is what they are paid for.

I'm annoyed that I even heard that name again.

Qantas group has 205 no of aircraft,and jetstar group has 100 over a/c,there must be a lot of engineers required,Is there a ratio of engineers to aircraft.

Boardman - Wake Up
 

There are 204 engineers who will be in a "position" called unemployment, this will be a "situation" not of their own making but the making of managers who want to meet their KPIs so as to get a bonus.

It's bad enough for the 204 families (engineers, their partners and their children) knowing the trauma about to hit them is due to some economic ideological edict, but to know that some of your workmates have been assisting - that hurts!!

Yes Qantas wants NONE :eek:

No that is too many.

We were notified today by Qantas that they will be removing Engineers from driving and PIC duties for aircraft tows in Perth. The jobs to go to baggage handlers. If you think this doesn't affect you please give me a call and I will explain how. You will hear the following words -

precedent, divide and conquer, lies, safety management system, stage 2, unity, receipt, stage 3, dispatch, stage 4, delays, hold items, stage 5, Cat A, AME unions, Fair Work Australia and you're f***en next.

Please don't go out of your way to help them sack you.

Email from management below.


DearPaul / Steve,

As you may be aware, Engineering employees in Perth Line Maintenance have raisedissues with local management in relation to the level of towing activity beingperformed in Perth airport, and the pressure this has been placing on ourEngineering employees’ ability to acquit maintenance work.


In order to alleviate these issues, some towing activities will be transitionedfrom Engineering to Ground Operations. The transition will occur over thecoming months and local management will engage with employees from today inrelation to the transition. Your local union representatives will also beadvised shortly, if they haven’t been already.



After the transition, the distribution of towing activities in Perth LMO will be asfollows:

- Alltowing driving to be performed by Ground Operations;

- Allwing walking and marshalling to be performed by Ground Operations;

- AllPerson in Charge (PIC) to be performed by Ground Operations;

- Thecoordination of towing resources to be managed by Ground Operations; and

- AllFlight Deck Operator (FDO) will remain in Qantas Engineering.

To be clear, this is not a matter which we consider invokes any obligation toconsult with the ALAEA or other relevant unions. This decision is confined toPerth LMO and is based on the unique operational environment facing Perth LMO.The transition of towing activities will not result in any job losses, or anyother impact on Engineering employees whatsoever, either in Perth LMO or anyother port. The purpose of this email is simply to advise you of this change asa matter of courtesy.



Kind regards,



Simon Brown | IndustrialRelations Manager
Qantas Airways Limited

Just they way it cut and pasted from an email into Pprune.

Nobody is deciding to give work away. That is the doing of management.

Smashing the OT is an individuals decision though and it is costing others their jobs.

Steve, how long until Nassenstein's tenure is up? I have heard rumours that he hasn't got long to go and his contract wont be renewed, but we don't have our hopes up.

Is there any other news in the pipeline? Is the forstaff last on first off going to be applied to Sydney?

So BNE is being setup to fail am I right thinking this .

Almost every PER LAME that I've spoken to is glad to get rid of the towing. WTF? :ugh:

If so, that is short sighted imho.

Long, long ago I learned that you never ever while your ar$e points to the ground give away work or complain about it to your boss, no matter how tedious, laborious, outside your favoured skill-set or otherwise. WE WILL NOT GET IT BACK! The job losses that will inevitably follow no matter what the letter says will bite us.

Their foot is in the door.:(

Qf is hiring fixed term contracts in Bne,this is going to be norm now but **** condition,

I don't know how their contracts work. He will not be a long term employee. In my opinion he will have destroyed the entire airline within 5 years and I consider him one of the most dangerous Aviation employees I have ever met. He has lied to my face and appears to disregard the basic rules of aviation safety and human factors (my honestly held opinion based on facts I am aware of and can substantiate).

Not specifically. I am trying to get to other ports to run some meetings in Line stations. Some people out there think that changes won't effect them. They've even asked if we can stop transfers to their station of Sydney LAMEs who would otherwise be made redundant to "protect their own buffer zones". Same blokes are carving up the overtime of course.

No the EBAs are different.

Correct you are. The first meeting we had after they announced Bne to be the one super maintenance facilty with mel closed I asked the following question to Tony Lowrey, head of Qantas HM.

His answer?

Whoever said this is clearly not talking to Per LAMEs. If they were to implement it though it will be a circus.

It will be for AMEs. The LAME EBA offers protections to prevent the practice. Don't worry they will think of another way to bypass secure employment.

Fact is they are now trying to get out of this at Avalon now and cherry pick .:ugh:

RE. towing in Perth,
The wedge is being driven by management, the AME's are doing most of the towing - and are frankly really cheesed off. The amount of towing truly is ridiculous. Management have told them there will be no career transition to LAME. So the local manager is really playing up to the AME's about giving up the towing, telling them they will be doing more maintenance work. Cough.....bullsh!t. There will be no more maintenance whilst a/c are being transport all over the airport.

Steve the key to this is the AME's.:ugh:

Every AME should be in the LAME union,as these AWU is never interested in aircraft worker.one aircraft engineering union.

ALAEA is undoubtedly the best union for us ame's. Unfortunately the company won't have a bar of it.

It's no secret that the alliance unions (cepu etc) are as spineless as bat sh*t (excluding our delegates on the floor), which is reflected in their lack of communication during this whole process (and the bargaining processes). They (the alliance unions) talk the talk, but don't walk the walk as Steve and his delegates do.

What the company want, is what the alliance gives, but not before sending out a couple of emails voicing their supposed 'opposition'.

Ame's shouldn't be expecting much defence/protection from the alliance as we cop the biggest hiding of 'em all in this round.

Given the company's emphasis on eQ quals, I'd say that this would hold significant weighting in the determination of who to make CR. I'd also say that years of service/time in section would have less significance, if any at all. Of course it's guess work

It is clear that the ALAEA is certainly the appropriate union to cover A License and could also be argued that AME coverage is appropriate too.

If you feel you are not getting value from your membership to AWU/AMWU/CEPU you can resign.

I was under the impression that freedom of association laws allowed you to join any union or association that you like.

It astounds me that the AME unions think it is in their members best interest to fight for coverage of the A License. Surely anyone can see that splitting the certifying staff across multiple unions is a sure fire plan for industrial impotence for all.

Their claim that 'the A License AME is not a Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer, they are an AME with a License' is laughable and defies reasonable thinking.

Seems to be more about the irresistible effect of ego at the higher levels rather than good strategy.

Regardless of what you think about the ALAEA, history shows that they are one of the most industrially strong unions/associations in aviation. This strength has translated to EB outcomes that have subsequently been piggybacked on by other unions in their agreements.

If the ALAEA loses its industrial strength by the AME unions wresting A License coverage from them, every union, and therefore every member, loses. Simple as that.

The Sydney Redundancies are a stark example of what an industrially weak future holds.

IMHO.

Spot on, Talkwrench!
 

I would be surprised if AMEs hold any more than 10% of the A Licenses handed out. Be sure Qantas will want to divide so as to conquer, but when the spoils are handed out AMEs will be few and far between. Watch to see what the baggage chuckers will get. (The non TWU ones, that is).

You want proof, have a look at what is happening in PER. LAME / AME, almost the same thing through management's eyes. AMEs weren't spared in the current SYD round of CRs either.

It's not about cheap labour, it's about non unionised labour that is not on Qantas' books - fixed term labour hire contracts or casual.

But there is hope. Years of distain by Qantas Group management is starting to bear fruit. Disengagement numbers are up, goodwill is dropping (even from the more "company orientated" employees). Pressure is coming from above, QE management numbers are starting to be culled - watch this space!!!!

I heard the managers are now telling their ports not to upset any of the guys thinking of moving by talking about future redundancies at the LMO ports. What b*llsh*t are they feeding these poor guys.

Most of guys taking up fixed term contract are hoping they can get permanent jobs in QF or pick up licence.

Where is it written in stone that AMEs cannot be represented by the union of "their" choice?

:cool:I hear now that the manager of SAM is giving personal phone calls to his lads asking them to come in on their days off. Things must be really tightening up.

Yes Cow17, Just got an SMS for overtime where the wording has changed from what was the standard request of:

""O/T is req'd for XXX shift"
To
"We have an operational need for O/T Day/night tomorrow. Your roster indicates that you are able to work an O/T shift at that time."

Things must be starting to hurt. Don't forget, if we can show them the system is bad enough now, it will be total chaos when they get rid of 30% of us. Don't bend over and make their system work. When they line up the final redudancies and they're gone it will be too late.

Apparently the wording alteration was requested by SAM Manager

I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Things must be very bad. I received the same text, and they haven't "invited" me to come in and "assist" for about 4 months. The ban on inviting me in, by certain planners, must be all forgotten now.

It's every hand to the keyboards! (You got to love Maintenix).

Suggested reply to operational message -

"Then maybe you should employ some more fcuken staff".

"operational need"? Hmmmmmm, that sounds like legalese designed to build a case for FWA intervention if the ALAEA is successful in convincing people not to do overtime.

Two comments Sunfish, firstly they aren't that organised and secondly its an argument they will never win (I'll let fedsec explain)

Since QF made engineers redundant overtime has gone up the roof,all ports doing max o/t ,so where is the saving,management f.....up but in denial.