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Union skirmish now personal
Here we go again. Some Union leaders just never learn and would rather spend members money on personal agendas than representing their members interests. :=
AUSTRALIA'S best-known unionist, Paul Howes, has launched legal action claiming he was humiliated, embarrassed and ''gravely injured in his feelings'' by the head of the tiny union that represents aircraft engineers, Steve Purvinas. Mr Howes, the national secretary of the 140,000-member Australian Workers Union, last week filed a defamation lawsuit against Mr Purvinas, the federal secretary of the 3200-member Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association, over an angry email sent to union leaders. Mr Purvinas sent the email, headed ''problems with the AWU'', to members of the ACTU executive, of which both men are members, on June 4. The email was the latest salvo in a war of words between the two men stemming from a long-running stoush over which of their unions is entitled to represent aircraft engineers at Qantas. Advertisement It followed an episode in May in which Mr Howes accused Mr Purvinas of waging a ''one-man jihad'' against Qantas. In a writ filed in the Victorian Supreme Court last week, Mr Howes claims the email formed part of a campaign by Mr Purvinas to poach Qantas workers from the AWU. Mr Howes alleges the email conveyed the imputation he ''conducted the affairs of the AWU in a disgusting manner'' and ''betrayed the interests of aircraft maintenance engineers'' and the union movement by using material from a confidential ACTU mediation between the unions in a court case. He alleges readers of the email would have understood it to mean he was ''two-faced'', ''colluding with Qantas management to strike a dirty deal that would reduce wages and safety levels in the aviation industry'' and was preoccupied with ''swanning around with politicians and leaders of industry in the Qantas Chairman's Lounge as he prepares to clear for himself a safe Labor seat in the Federal Parliament''. Mr Howes, but not Mr Purvinas, is a member of the Chairman's Lounge. The AWU leader is seeking damages for being ''gravely injured in his feelings, credit and reputation'', ''humiliated, embarrassed and held up to hatred, ridicule and contempt'' and ''injured in his profession''. Mr Howes declined to comment when contacted by The Saturday Age. However, Mr Purvinas, who has yet to file a defence, said: ''I'm not surprised that Paul Howes would concentrate his attacks on other unions rather than take on companies that harm our members.'' ''Paul has got to learn to cop a bit of criticism at times, he's quite forward in making criticism of others.'' A first directions hearing is set for September 28. |
What a waste of time, money and energy.
The corporate types will be laughing all the way to the boardroom. How did the Union movement get so dysfunctional that they are spending their time in court against each other? |
Mr Howes, but not Mr Purvinas, is a member of the Chairman's Lounge. |
As long as he is using his own money for the legal challenge that all the best to him. If Mr Howes ever wants to make it into politics he should get a few lawyers on retainer as they will be quite busy. Imagine if the PM took the court everyone that said ill of her and how she conducts herself.
Dose of concrete is whats required here. Let the FWA sort out which union has the right to cover CAT A LICENSED engineers. |
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Howes should get his mum 2 talk 2 Purvinas' mum about him being mean. Maybe dont sit together at big lunch either. |
What were those wise words once offered...toughen up princess.
This sort if inter union rivalry is bull ****e and plays into the hands of the rat execs especially whose aim is to divide and conquer. Everyone must remember who the real enemy is!!!! |
Paul Howes seems to think he is in Government .
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he may as well be, he's operating the strings of possibly the worst government in our short history and making sure his chairmans lounge ticket is there for quite some time. Hang your ugly melon in shame howes
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Characterization
Howes is little more than an arrogant overblown thug in a suit who has forgotten his position in life~his attitude is indicative of everything that is wrong with the current Labor Government.He would do well to pull his head in
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Howes another legend in his own lunchbox.
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It appears he is another "Academic Unionist" who has never been a shop floor Delegate or elected as an Organiser by his members ever. Just another Canberra wanna-be whose only ambition is to swap his business cards with those who may one day help him land there. I bet his Qantas upgrade is already arranged.
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Interesting article on the big man.
Larry Pickering I hope you are reading this Howes you may know that our man has been through all this before and the ones who attempted it vanished from our union. I know you think you are smarter than he but I suspect he has more wisdom. Be careful that Steve not know of any illegal activity your union has been involved in, he may have set this up to bring it all out on witness stand. |
The AWU wouldn't notice the amount of money they will use on lawyers, that same amount of money could be enough to send ALAEA to the wall. That would be standard tactics of the big vs the small, don't bother with the actual legality just use the legal system to send the small bloke broke.
It's always best when you get your opponents to do your dirty work for you. |
from wikipedia
Paul Howes (born 23 August 1981) is the National Secretary of The Australian Workers' Union, a position he has held since the age of 26.[1] He is also Vice President of the Australian Council of Trade Unions[2] and serves on a number of Government boards.[3] He was elected National Secretary of the Australian Workers' Union following the election of former AWU National Secretary Bill Shorten to the Australian House of Representatives in November 2007. Howes entered politics while still at Blaxland High School in the Blue Mountains of New South Wales, joining the far-left political groups Democratic Socialist Party and Resistance. He never finished high school, leaving in Year 9.[citation needed] However by the age of 16 Howes abandoned far-left politics and joined the Australian Labor Party.[1] Howes became a union official at the age of 17 when he was employed as a research officer by the Labor Council of New South Wales (now Unions New South Wales). He joined the Australian Workers' Union as an official in New South Wales in 2002 and was later recruited to the National Office of the union. In 2005 he was elected as the union's National Vice President, becoming the youngest ever national official in the history of the union. As AWU National Secretary, Howes is a Director of AustralianSuper,[3] one of the largest superannuation trusts in Australia.[4] He is also a member of the powerful National Executive of the Australian Labor Party. Howes came to national attention as a union spokesperson for the miners during the Beaconsfield Mine Disaster.[1] In December 2008, Howes was elected Vice President of the Australian Council of Trade Unions. In February 2009, he was reelected unopposed for a four year term as AWU National Secretary. An episode of ABC program Australian Story, broadcast August 2010,[1] highlighted his influence within Labor, especially leading up to the Australian federal election, 2010.[5] Others reported to have been influential, in addition to Howes in 2010, include Labor 'powerbrokers': Mark Arbib, Don Farrell, David Feeney and former AWU secretary Bill Shorten.[6] In November 2010 Howes published Confessions of a Faceless Man, his autobiographical analyses of the election and 18 months in Australian politics.[7][8][9] He also gave a speech to the Sydney Institute, which The Australian published as an opinion piece headed: "ALP's faceless men must learn to tolerate dissent."[10] Howes lives in Sydney, is married to Lucy,[11] and has three children.[1] In turn, my mates at Sussex Street have got to accept the right to openly debate ideas. The leadership shouldn't sandbag Sussex Street against those who want to discuss these new ideas. Shutting people up turns our natural constituency away from us. It turns our base in suburban working Australia off politics. |
Notice that Paul Howes has never actually had a job, it appears to me that he is a member of the wrong party. What a douch:rolleyes:
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I actually have a problem with fedsec's email he sent to the ACTU.
swanning around with politicians and leaders of industry in the Qantas Chairman's Lounge as he prepares to clear for himself a safe Labor seat in the Federal Parliament' Unionists are like Baristas in my opinion. If the person making the coffee doesn't like coffee, doesn't drink coffee, how can you expect them to care about the coffee they're making. Hence I don't order coffee from school kids working at gloria jeans or whatever. Likewise, I'm glad the leader of my union actually partook in my field of work, experienced bad EBA dealings along with the rest of us and did something about it. There is usually a happy medium in employee employer relationships. Virgin seem to have it. Qantas seem not to. Something about newtons law and the coogee bay hotel. |
Howes is little more than an arrogant overblown thug in a suit who has forgotten his position in life~his attitude is indicative of everything that is wrong with the current Labor Government.He would do well to pull his head in Paul Howes seems to think he is in Government . The corporate types will be laughing all the way to the boardroom. What were those wise words once offered...toughen up princess. This sort if inter union rivalry is bull ****e and plays into the hands of the rat execs especially whose aim is to divide and conquer. Everyone must remember who the real enemy is!!!! and finally.. Mr Howes, but not Mr Purvinas, is a member of the Chairman's Lounge. Howes, comes across as a a noisy little man, all that huffing & puffing to get your name up in lights... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T...s-loungev1.jpg |
To bad the Painters and Dockers are no longer with us, Mr Howes would be having a permanent holiday.:)
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It has always been obvious that Qantas has impeccable connections on both sides of Parliament and the NSW political paries and has no compunction about using them.
Julia is powerlesss to protect Qantas workers interests. |
Union heavies just aren't what they used to be. :sad:
http://www.nobugs.org/engineer/lathe...ood-small.jpeg Tool of trade c1970... http://www.pprune.org/data:image/jpe...CIiAIiIAiIgP/Zhttp://www.mybabyloves.com/wp-conten...10/freddie.jpg http://www.pprune.org/data:image/jpe...CIiAIiIAiIgP/Z Tool of trade 2012. :}:} |
Vermin
At least Steve has the balls to come out in public and fight his fights, unless Howes the 'faceless man'. Howes is a turncoat and is not union blooded one little bit.
Keep up the good work Steve, at least you have integrity and stick by your men, to show some solidarity and loyalty. Howes, you are a footstool of the Prime Minister, now go back to her office, kneel on the floor and take up the position you have earned. |
Some people in this country will go a long way to supress a voice of reason. Have a listen to how deep things run.
2GB Media Player - Julia Gillard and the Australian Workers UnionHave a listen to this - |
Money talks
At least Steve has the balls to come out in public and fight his fights I feel for you SP, it must have been like "running against a wall with your head down" after listening to that....http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/pukey.gif Sort of makes this thread stand out, what chance did the pilots have when left to rely on the FWA.... :confused: http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...pa-vs-fwa.html A bit chilling after listening to that interview regarding FWA and some of its employees.... and it won't be last last time we hear about this.... the time bomb is ticking for Labor and and its backroom boys.... they have done nothing to save workers jobs in aviation, the record is there now for all to see, so that old claim the party is good for the worker has become redundant, just doesn't mean anything anymore... As for the Liberals, I suspect they knew what was going on as well... and just played dumb.. It is good to revisit this video, sowing more seeds of doubt, totally useless debate wasting parliamentary time pretending to deal with a huge crisis... |
FWA's decision has arguably put permanent Qantas employees jobs at risk as Qantas can now bring in (after pretending to consult) contractors and labour hire workers on lesser employment rates of pay and terms and conditions. This is simply a race to the bottom that's been endorsed by FWA. The Industrial Umpire needs a good kick in the arse and shown the Red Card.
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Qantas secures Fair Work victory over outsourcing limits Qantas has been dealt a victory in its long-running dispute with 3800 baggage handlers after the industrial umpire rejected their claims for a limit to be put on the outsourcing of work. The Transport Workers Union, which represents baggage handlers and other ground crew, had wanted outside labour hires to be capped at a fifth of the number of full- or part-time Qantas workers. But in a judgment released today, the Fair Work commissioners ruled that the TWU's claim failed because Qantas had for many years used labour hire and contractors, which had not been shown to adversely affect the airline's other employees. "To interfere with management's decision on such a matter would require clear and strong evidence of unfairness," the judgment said. "No such case has been established." Qantas today welcomed Fair Work's decision, declaring that it had mandated that the airline "is entitled to run its business free from union control". The airline's head of government and corporate affairs, Olivia Wirth, said it was clear that the TWU's demands were "out of step with what is fair and reasonable for a union to demand". Qantas put the cost of the industrial dispute last year at $68 million.The decision prevents the baggage handlers from taking protected industrial action for at least the next two years.[/QUOTE] It appears, no matter how big a union is these days, it's hard to beat this FWA system... now known as FWCA Fair Work Choices Australia.... what's the difference?... |
He never finished high school, leaving in Year 9.[citation needed] However by the age of 16 Howes abandoned far-left politics and joined the Australian Labor Party.[1] |
There is a big difference between left and right in the union movement. The left are like the ones who want to stick up for our rights. The right like to make deals to prevent the need to fight and in doing so give up many of our rights.
I reckon there is no difference between the right of the union movement and the Torries. This is why people have lost faith in unions. |
Don't forget Paul Howes is part of the ALP "Military Industrial Complex" that brought us the FWA - a piece of legislation supposedly designed to protect workers but in reality is a just a (Labor and Labour) lawyers picnic.
Consider what would have happened in the "bad old days" under Howard's Work Choices: Parties would have slugged it out based on their various levels of commitment to the fight and most likely, when they both had a bloody nose, sat down and negotiated. What happened under the FWA? Fancy QF Lawyers - who were always going to run rings around Labor's straight-out-of-uni-into-the-public service "B" team of legislative drafters, find various loopholes in the thousands of pages of eyeglazing legalese and short circuit the whole thing to their advantage. Thanks Ms. Gillard. Once upon a time unionists gathered out side the factory gate with a placard and a 44 gallon drum with some burning logs in it while they picketed the joint. Now it's left wing suits doing dirty deals with right wing suits behind closed doors with zero transparency while the high priests (FWA tribunal) genuflect before the the thousand page book that is the FWA.:mad::mad: BTW - this is a repeat in general terms of how the Hawke Govt. ran IR. A three legged stool of Big Govt, Big Biz & Big Unions (ACTU). If your were a small business or a small union (eg. AFAP,AIPA,ALAEA) you were st*ffed as AN & TN pilots found out. |
I reckon there is no difference between the right of the union movement and the Torries. This is why people have lost faith in unions. Too many of the right wing Labor types publically espouse labor values while privately milking the system for whatever they can get, and the members be damned. Nor are the likes of PH workers; far too many of them have gone straight from uni (or grade 9) into the machine without a days real 'work' in their lives. :ugh: Nor are they even very good at the machine stuff, as their recent string of public debacles shows. :rolleyes: They're not even competent faceless men, and their continued incompetence is doing enormous harm to the ALP and the union movement. |
A collection of pooh
This is more than I can take.
On just one page we have seen mentioned Howes, Johnny Eyebrows, the Red Headed Clown, even the no longer faceless gimp Mark Arbib! Combine that with video links and Tim's photoshop work (I do like your style mate) also showing the Carbon Queen, Albo, Martian Ferguson, Swanny and ex union supporters and now turncoats Bill Short-one and Greg Combat and I believe you have possibly one of the greatest collections of 'brown matter' assembled in one convenient location! Please people, no more pictures of politicans, except for this one: http://www.gaia-health.com/images/000004-titleimage.png And yes, I would love to see a return of the Dockers.. http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg508...pg&res=landing |
The Australian union movement has lost relevancy, hence it's rapidly dwindling membership. Neverthless they wield a disproportionate amount of power thanks to the aparatchiks who have wormed their way into the ALP we see today.
Said it before and I'll say it again; the ALP started on its slippery slope to irrelevancy when Goof took over. And yes, I would love to see a return of the Dockers. |
As long as he is using his own money for the legal challenge that all the best to him Howes is a gutless, self aggrandising, arrogant, back stabbing moron with delusions of grandeur who's never got his hands dirty either at a workplace or in the heat of a union battle. Just look at who he backs in the Labor party, you're a real winner Paul :D how a third rate academic fool like him gets to choose the leader of a political party says a lot about the 'party' that's 'running' this country. |
how a third rate academic fool like him... I've ranted long and hard about academic wankers taking over the unions to the exclusion of workers, but as far as I can see he hasn't even achieved that status. |
Howes is a gutless, self aggrandising, arrogant, back stabbing moron with delusions of grandeur who's never got his hands dirty either at a workplace or in the heat of a union battle. |
Sorry Worrals, you are right of course ;) I was more referring to the performance he put on at the Press Club. He thinks he's a bit of an intellect, I could of used a better word like........tosser, wanka, spanka etc.
Arnold, I was holding back mate :ok: |
[QUOTE]And yes, I would love to see a return of the Dockers./QUOTE]
Why?? [I]"Several prominent former members were involved in the Melbourne gangland killings. Lewis Moran and Graham Kinniburgh were both former members and met on the Melbourne waterfront. Five persons who were members or associated with the Union were connected with the attempted robbery of Trans Australia Airlines Flight 454."/I]".....quick ref at Wiki..but it is documented. Dangerous when one forgets history and glamorises criminals who used a Union as a front, does not progress the legitimate Union cause one iota. :ugh: |
]"Several prominent former members were involved in the Melbourne gangland killings. Lewis Moran and Graham Kinniburgh were both former members and met on the Melbourne waterfront. Five persons who were members or associated with the Union were connected with the attempted robbery of Trans Australia Airlines Flight 454."/I]".....quick ref at Wiki..but it is documented. Squarebear, I call it an 'even fight'. If you dont recognize that governments, poilticians and CEO's are silk tie wearing thugs, bullies and executioners in their own right then you are deluded. Its all criminality, only the clothes have changed.. |
If you dont recognize that governments, poilticians and CEO's are silk tie wearing thugs, bullies and executioners in their own right then you are deluded. Its all criminality, only the clothes have changed.. |
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Squarebear, I call it an 'even fight'. If you dont recognize that governments, poilticians and CEO's are silk tie wearing thugs, bullies and executioners in their own right then you are deluded. Its all criminality, only the clothes have changed.. I'd like to agree as well but I may find myself seeking refuge in the Ecuador embassy by the end of the week. |
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