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QF to get IPAD EFB
iPads flying high with Qantas pilots
Qantas pilots are to be issued with iPads after the airline struck a deal with Telstra. Apple’s popular tablet will eventually be handed out to more than 2200 pilots, with those flying its 737 fleet to get the first batch in September. The gadgets will be used on the flight deck to access charts, flight plans, manuals and other operational information. The deal is still subject to regulatory approval. It is also expected to massively reduce the airline’s use of paper. Qantas currently prints 18,000 pages of flight operations every day but expects this will be reduced to 3000 pages once all of the iPads have been issued. Each of the devices will have two apps installed that have been custom-built for the cockpit – one for charts designed by Boeing subsidiary Jeppesen, the other developed internally by Qantas for all other information its pilots need to have at hand. Alex Passerini, a Qantas technical pilot, said replacing cumbersome hard copies would save time, reduce costs and improve the airline’s use of resources. “This initiative is a response to strong demand from our pilots for a simpler, more efficient system, and follows extensive testing and development work, including close consultation with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority,” Captain Passerini said in a statement. Telstra’s group managing director for enterprise and government, Paul Geason, said the iPad program was a perfect example of how technology could improve productivity and efficiency. It is expected to take about three or four weeks to get iPads into the hands of pilots on each Qantas fleet. Pilots will still carry some paperwork to the flight deck as they get to know the new systems. Qantas has previously used Apple equipment as part of attempts to differentiate itself from rival airline Virgin Australia. It installed Mac computers in members’ lounges across the country in late 2010 |
Sounds like a positive move forward doesn't it? Should be a good thing for crew? Well, you'd like to think anyway! :ok:
(Sorry for being a bit cryptic... Qrewroom readers know what I'm talking about!). :E |
Keg,
Please let us in on the inside story.... b. |
could someone enlighten me as to what a 'technical pilot' is? I have seen this term used in a number of Qantas articles recently.
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Techie
could someone enlighten me as to what a 'technical pilot' is?
The opposite of a "non"technical pilot. My guess is a pilot who is now a desk jockey and looks after all the "Technical"stuff like publications and other associated matters. I'm sure to be corrected if I have erred or been imprecise or a made a grammatical or spelling error. |
A leap into the 21st Century! This app would be just the go to beat the ATC delays in SYD on a Friday arvo, or at PER any old day!
Firemint » Flight Control HD for iPad Pick a slot and land when you see a gap. Seriously, aviation destroys complete forests everyday and 90% of it goes into the recycling bin, while the other 10% goes into a filing cabinet for 3 or 6 months, and then into the recycling bin! I've heard rumours around Ground Ops that we could be working with iPads/tablets for LIRs, notocs manifests etc. Of course they would need to be military grade construction to survive the Ramp:}, conditions can be nearly as tough as Afghanistan(without the IEDs and bullets)!! :{ PS I've seen some Atlas freighter crews using iPads, I believe the guys supply their own iPads and Co. supplies the apps (Jeppesen etc) and a Satellite wifi device. Not sure what they use to connect through but it could be Inmarsat SwiftBroadband uplink?? Anyone know the details? PPS Here's some more info - Arinc Direct Demos Cockpit iPad App | Aviation International News |
Technical Pilot
Generally a Tech Pilot is concerned with any interface between pilots and technology.
They are usually the company point-of-contact with equipment manufacturers and regulators for technical issues. A bread-and-butter duty is to sift through service bulletins and re-publish relevant information in company pilot notices. For example, they would publish a notice for something like an FMC update that changes PFD indications, but wouldn't bother telling you about a seamless FADEC software upgrade. They usually also deal with wide technical-regulatory issues, such as PBN or FANS, and try to become the Flight Department expert on related subjects through plenty of reading, attending OEM events, talking to experts and having access to detailed background material. They tend to look after things that aren't a personnel issue but are not strictly engineering either. It can be a fairly narrow secondary duty or a very widespread full-time job depending on the company. I imagine the Tech Pilots at QF are kept pretty busy, and going to semi-paperless flightdeck would be a classic Tech Pilot project. |
Jetstar were supposed to have them in February! How have QF solved the issue of attaching the ipad to the airframe when using them for approach charts? At Jetstar there was talk of military grade velcro.:8
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Amasing how the issue of securing only comes up for something that is new. I'm sure that an ipad would do far less damage than a full book of Jeppersen approach plates floating around the flight desk.
Also, once the info in an FMS for a data base approach has been checked against the appropriate approach chart, why is there a need to refer to the chart during the actual approach, security blanket I guess. |
For every problem there is a solution. (Usually found on eBay:ok:)
Just like an FA18 jockey's → MyGoFlight - iPad Kneeboard Pro C - YouTube Also → MyClip 737 Clipboard from Austin Flight Check Training Solutions - YouTube |
How about height check at faf? Dme/alt check as you go, etc? You know, good old airmanship?
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How have QF solved the issue of attaching the ipad to the airframe when using them for approach charts? At Jetstar there was talk of military grade velcro |
The procedure altitude check at the FAF is checked in the data base prior to commencing the approach and is on the ND. Usually it is also on the altitude tape. It's a case of just remembering a what DME that point is if it is referenced to the DME.
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Both pilots looking at the approach chart alt/dme scale. Who's flying the aircraft? Who's monitoring? Amasing how often airmanship is used as an excuse for ignorance.
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What aircraft has FAF procedure altitude on the altitude tape? Why do you think both pilots are head down during the approach? What happens if the FMS stops functioning during the approach, what do you reference for the goaround - memory? Most pilots take their charts out of the book and they have a handy little clip so they are next to you on the window for reference. I have a feeling that VC9 might enjoy his approaches from the comfort of a flight sim and Ejectx3 flies aeroplanes for a living.
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That he does , and having a chart out in the name of airmanship is so far from ignorance its funny.
Also approach chart has highest terrain/obstacle in the approach/ missed approach area, minima that must be set on Mcp until faf, and a plethora of other info. Fmc has only track/ dist and actual altitude at waypoints, not minimum altitudes. Shall I go on? |
I would hazard a guess that you get the charts out in an unfamiliar airport but lets face it, run of the mill ports you can state the FAF height check and missed approach verbatim. Yes there will be secure locks and attachments for the Ipads, the only thing I am thinking is if you get into Unusual Attitudes the Ipad is going to orientate the charts upwards and it will really confuse you, how can you check the GP check height when the chart is inverted? Which means the aircraft is too I guess! lol.:ok:
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AoA, you can "lock" the iPad so the display doesn't rotate when the iPad is moved. :)
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It's amaZing VC9.. And the ipad replaces the small font Jepp charts. If both pilots decide to look at their charts, well, they're just as likely to be looking at an ipad. No difference.
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Why all the fuss? - I believe a couple of US airlines shave been using Ipads for a while.
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boocs, some crew were less than enamoured with the idea with one particular F/O declaring that he'd refuse to carry one. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and blaming red wine for the outburst.
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iPads are pretty good
I've been using EFBs for years, recently supplemented with iPad. However, the iPad has become my weapon of choice because it's more readable. It's not mounted: I just leave it loose in a pocket next to me with the chart I'm using left open. Occasionally I'll make some self-briefing notes on a writing pad stuck to the yoke.
I also have the entire suite of OEM documents on the iPad as well as various off-the-shelf databases available as apps from the store. It's also easy to search the Jeppesen Airway Manuals (if you have Flight DecK on iPad) and all the PDFs are indexed, so the links work. I keep detailed briefing notes for various destinations on it and they don't get lost. I haven't carried a NAV bag for years. Some overseas regulators are coming to grips with paperless flight decks and have varying needs to cover redundancy. If I had to go back to paper, I would see it as a huge step back. |
iPad EFB
Oi, Baswell, Shagpile, here's ya money shot. OzRunways anyone?:E
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Fmc has only track/ dist and actual altitude at waypoints, not minimum altitudes. Shall I go on? |
The move to EFBs, or even just simply an iPad for plate referencing in flight, is leading to more empire building at CASA. God only knows what tripe will come our of their CAAP, which will no doubt be well out of touch with reality. One FOI recently remarked to me that suction cup ram mounts attached to the side window won't be permitted. Not everyone wants/needs to fully integrate such devices into the flight environment. What a joke...
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Fmc has only track/ dist and actual altitude at waypoints, not minimum altitudes. Shall I go on? 7000B, 7000A, 7000 or 7000 |
I think he was talking about altitudes as displayed on the EHSI on the 767? Pre Pegasus upgrade they don't necessarily have the altitude displayed at the next waypoint.
What was the original point again? :ok: |
I don't think an approach chart indicates all obstacles, whether terrain or other objects.
Ie: circling at an altitude above the highest charted obstacle may not guarantee appropriate obstacle clearance. |
I have an iPad with Jeppesen on it and it is fantastic. Always up-to-date no more amendments. Simple to use and faster than those cumbersome folders. I have a holder/suction cup which I attach to the window. It goes exactly where I want it. Not where some expert thinks it should go, or can be fitted. How this can damage 2 inches if glass is beyond me. The map pack is also easy to use. With the aircraft position on the map it sure is easier than folding big unwieldy charts.
In respect to CASA, I know a couple of FOI's who think they are the ducks guts. If this is the future then bring it on |
CASA Approved ??
Hi All,
With the use of the IPAD on the Flight Deck does anyone know if it has actually been approved for use or is it still in the approval stages ?? Thanks :) |
Still in the approval stage, slated to be approved by CASA shortly.
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Yeah well I use one and they don't necessarily have minimum altitudes in the legs page. Have a look next time you fly .
The various 7000a, 7000, 7000b etc is not necessarily the height for the segment that you need to set in the mcp, it is the appropriate height at that specific waypoint. |
With the replacement of the tough book, and the iPads being 'delicate,' I'm curious as to how many get replaced before people start getting antsy about the cost. Surely a hell of a lot of cracked screens to come?
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....some crew were less than enamoured with the idea with one particular F/O declaring that he'd refuse to carry one. I was one of the above. Trying to get an answer which wasn't contradicted by someone else 5 minutes later was more painful than extracting teeth. Although I admit to being a little surprised at the position of the F/O described above! Seemed a bit silly to me. ;) I look forward to it. I just hope Qantas doesn't stuff it up and make it difficult like many of their other IT implementations. Too pessimistic? :rolleyes: |
This is a good thing, and there are a number of airlines in the US now solely using iPads. But - how can they do it in advance of slow lumbering CASA changing the regulations?
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I've heard there will be a requirement along the lines of minimum 90% charge prior to departure and all updates complete.
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WHy does an iPad have to be approved? Surely it is just a medium to display authorised charts?
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FAA
The FAA require rapid decompression and electromagnetic interference testing for each individual iPad. Some units fail.
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The FAA require rapid decompression and electromagnetic interference testing for each individual iPad. Some units fail. And what of other devices? Android? Saw today that Jeppesen have charts available in android format, how long have they had these? Will I soon be able to use a Galaxy Tab in place of (i)products?:ok: |
WHy does an iPad have to be approved? Surely it is just a medium to display authorised charts? Seriously, there are some issues to consider. Mainly about power, backup & updates. But I would have thought a few guys in a room could draft a regulation in an afternoon (especially when you've got the FAA to follow), not the 12 months & counting that the current committee is taking. But, right wrong or indifferent I don't understand how Qantas can implement this without a supporting CASA regulation. |
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