went through the process a while back, no tricks, traps or other bs.

i got a couple of questions wrong in one of the exams, the examiner quietly came up to me and asked if i wanted to rethink a couple of answers before he marked it

cant get more helpful than that.

Reading comments on the thread about 'arrogance of recruitment' and 'all being one company', well therein lies the problem.

No one is entitled to anything and every employer will have a corporate line that should not be taken too literally. As we mature into adults and grow up we become street smart. We stop making assumptions, see through the propaganda and start taking ownership for our own actions rather than blaming company policy.

Anyone joining a Link carrier, knows there is no yellow brick road to mainline so therefore no entitlement. There is no excuse for disappointment or bitterness. The recruitment processes are different, you may pass one and not the other. It's always been like that. Being aware of those two simple facts is called taking ownership for your own decisions.

It's not a case of whether they should or shouldn't be different or more integrated, it's their train set and they make the rules.

If ANZ want to hire someone with no record from outside NZ that meets the criteria and place trust in their recruitment process, that's their choice. Bitching about it won't change a thing apart from demonstrating that perhaps their recruitment process has worked again.

This thread started on the back of progression prospects. I did join ANZ from an overseas airline, I saw what the prospects were going to be, I took accountability for my own decisions and made another one without bitterness or regret.

Yes my trait of doing what I am told to do and ergo staying to the rules :uhoh:
Now we all know that is not the case of what is being looked for, and the matter is cleared up.

haha, if you don't have an answer just say so. :}

The jet fleet is a different contract, to the link operations.

NZALPA and the FANZP both have a strict seniority system in the individual airlines, Eagle, Air Nelson, Mt Cook and the jet operation. The jet fleet is the only one that has multiple types.

In the jet fleets you start as a B777, B767 or shortly a B787 SO, there are also a small number positions as B733 FO but this aircraft is being retired and exited by 2015. The SO and B733 are the entry positions and there are NO exceptions.

Except of course for the Federation giving up the clause that limited the number of management pilots that can be appointed to a position outside of seniority. Slightly off tangent perhaps ;)

Waterwings keep in mind under the fed contract those management pilots do not contribute to the headcount requirement. So they aren't stealing a line pilots spot. But yes beside the point.

Inverted, are they shadow rostered or just don't fly the line? Are they paid as a Captain but not paid any margin for managing, seems like thin edge of wedge.

what about the NZ 733's going to OZ ?
 

think they're going to Vincent in DRW on some sort of JV with NZ, but not sure where they will be based.

Yes, I know this last post was 5 years ago but it is a slow night and Alan Zymer will not go away.

Many, many, many years ago, there was a couple of applicants applying to ANZ. App 1 had a shiny new Commercial, IR and 300 hour on a 172. App 2 had 3,000+ SIngle Pilot time on the Mt Cook PA31 (said it was many years ago). App 1 was welcomed with open arms. App 2 was told "Laddie, you need to go and get a few more hours and then try again". Ok, it wasn't the actual quote but that was the gist of what he was told.

If you miss out an an airline job there are about three things you can do.

1. Blame the recruiting system and wait for the system to change. This may never happen.
2. Blame the recruiting system and try and get a job with a company that has a "better" system. You may find that all of the good companies have similarly broken recruiting systems.
3. Consider that, hey, maybe the recruiting system actually found genuine fault with you, the candidate, and maybe you could work on changing a few things about yourself.

If you continually blame external factors for **** that happens to you then nothing will ever change.

Yep, fully understand that, but note you acknowledge that you don't do well in interviews. You're not trying to blame the process.

This 5 year old thread is a great reminder of how quickly things can change.

In recent years, newly hired A320 FO's have started in Christchurch.
A320 Commands are sitting about 5 years at the moment and there's talk of them getting as low as 3.

If you can't roll with the waves, then a legacy Airline probably isn't for you. Best pack your bags and head overseas where you jump from one Airline to the next as a DEC. Doesn't matter if it's Jetstar, Virgin, JetConnect or Air NZ, when Commands come up in as little as 3 years there's a very good reason for it, nobody ahead of you wants them....