Qantas Exodus II
 

EK roadshow reporting that they've received EOI/ application from a QF A380 captain. I have nothing more in terms of information and suspect (but don't know) that it may have been a bit more of an EOI for a direct entry command even though I know that EK aren't currently taking DEC. That said, if they change their stance, the flood gates could open in a big way and QF may find themselves not just a little short but a lot short. It won't come down to LWOP, guys and gals will pull the pin if a DEC is on the cards.

That'd be awesome if QF started bleeding Captains like that to EK because they offer more of a 'future'. :ugh: :roll eyes:

PS: I wasn't actually at the road show so no smart alec comments about me hunting for another gig! :ok:

90% of all QF pilots would get a 380 command in EK long before they got one in QF.

DECs or not.

Heard too that the recent 330 S/O slots advertised are being sought by quite senior guys off the 400 so they get a 330 endo then head off to other companies, presumably the desert.

Funny how the 380 doesn't have enough crew and now the 330 apparently.

If guys start leaving in bigger numbers, it changes the whole dynamic of where the company will find itself re numbers. With lwop for three years in effect and resignations maybe increasing in rate the typical knee jerk reaction will be to employ more pilots but it'll be on a b scale......

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Probably be one of the guys who constantly talks about the joys of the seniority system and how we must all wait our turn.....

Dreamin' Absolutely dreamin'.

I was at a EK roadshow where this was asked. The response was absolutely wont be happening. Sorry to burst the bubble with fact.... :rolleyes:

The A380 captain applying to EK? :p

So from a fleet of:

18 A330
14 A380
26 747
25 767

to:

14 A380
9 747

You can probably afford to let a few guys go...

gotta love the level of arrogance from this group. Like EK gives a rats about QF drivers. Just because your A QAntas Pilot does not "ENTITLE" you to ANYTHING. A380/CApt/FO/SO or toilet cleaner...get in line...I too was at a recent EK roadshow where there was a whole group of QF pilots whinging about how they are losing there jobs (because of Jetstar of course ) and how EK needed to fall to there knees and beg these guys to go out there....They even had the nerve to suggest that EK hiring policy needed to be "re evaluated" when it comes to recruiting QF pilots.....I know this post will probably gain a little "criticism" but i sit and read this stuff and on occasion post my humble opinion. Get over the "god like complex people. There are many well deserving and qualified FO's at EK that ARE ENTITLED before any of US are..................
Only in Australia....:ugh:

Oh FFS. This thread is NOT about QF drivers expecting to be Captains in EK. It's simply that even A380 Captains- who are pretty freaking senior- are considering going elsewhere.

Further, it was only a few months ago that EK needed a 'letter of resignation' from your previous employer before they'd take you on. Funnily enough, things have now changed and it appears that Qantas drivers are allowed to go on LWOP. My information is that EK only accept crew on LWOP from a couple of operators. It appears that QF pilots actually do get treated slightly differently to everyone else up there? It appears EK simply changed their mind. I wonder why? Could it be they were happy to get the crews up there to have a look around and hopefully stay and it happened to fix an issue for them?

Whether EK eventually go for DEC is something entirely up to them. They have taken them in the past, they may well again at some stage in the future. Certainly one of my EK contacts reckons that despite assurances that they won't go for DECs, the rapid rate of expansion may mean that they have to consider a limited number for the short to medium term. That may or may not work out well for former QF Captains but that really wasn't what this thread was about in the first instance. Personally, if you want to discuss whether EK will or won't take DECs, take it to the ME forum and leave this thread to discuss where the QF drivers are going- as the name of the thread suggests. Land of idiocy is right! :ugh: :rolleyes:

Another side of the coin. Lets say EK really wanted to put the screws on the idiot little green man at the bottom of the garden?

They need pilots - masses of them - and (regardless of your attitude to Qf drivers) Qantas has them. And they are pissed off.

Be a nice strategic move to take them all and watch Qf squirm, wouldn't it?

Ek want more than QF could provide in any case, but interesting scenario!!

Why would they bother V-JET? QF has become utterly irrelevant internationally. Emirates doesn't have to do anything as QF has done all the wok itself.

Leave QF for EK, guys you need your heads read.

You seem to have missed the 45 A330/340s, 90+ 777s, and the 190 odd aircraft on order...

I am not sure if this info is elsewhere on Prune but I've heard from a number of sources that QF are loosing 1 pilot a day. The guys I've spoken to down the line have not wanted special treatment from EK or any other airline ............. they just want out!

DARK.LORD Six years ago I may have agreed with you, but things have changed!

One a day? Is that being loose with the truth?

QF numbers. not Ek, wizZ of oz.

Ah!!! I get it now.....

Ehhhmm, I think he was referring to QF, and not EK......

Said it on the previous thread, say it again here: QF need to lose (please, please note the spelling of that word, thank you) 1 pilot a day for six months. That's just to avoid an excess. That's 1 pilot leaving on LWOP, resigning or retiring, every day for six months.

The story I heard a while ago from someone in the know, is that in the last 12months QF have lost 125 pilots. A few have been retirements, but most are young FO's that see no future at QF.

I also heard of a couple of SO's doing their King Air endorsements so they could do some work in Afghanistan. Not sure if they were on LWOP or resigning.

Before this rumour grows to great heights, the fact is that several QF captains including 380 drivers have indicated to EK that if they ever consider DEC's then they are interested.

Plenty of QF people would rather see out the last 5 or so years of their career with a real airline rather than fly to Sin, Lhr and Lax.

Also, QF guys have been knocked back at interview with EK recently. They are not going to take any ego's, something quite common with some QF people. Those who have got in so far are some of the good guys who we would be better off not losing.

TineeTim

Well the excess of pilots is almost dried up, on the 747 there have been Captains and First Officers flying on some trips operating as Second Officers. I gather the 767 is now becoming short of crew.

Offchocks
 

I believe that's because the reduction in capacity hasn't happened yet. IIRC that reduction starts around April? The reduction in 747s coupled with no new A380s will produce much of the surplus. The real wild-card is what happens to the 767s and what about the A330s once Jet* are finished thrashing them?

One of the thoughts going through my mind is that QF were happy to any reduction in numbers on THEIR TERMS and on THEIR TIMING. They need pilots to fly their aircraft right up to the day they get rid of it, then make crew redundant. In short, they though pilots would stick around to the bitter end no matter what, then get rogered.

Unfortunately for management, they appear to have "spooked the horses" with their actions. Pilots are taking their careers into their own hands. I suspect we will see all sorts of random shortages in various ranks on all types, with the exception of A380/744 Captains. This process has only just began, those leaving will have had applications in elsewhere months ago. This will very difficult for the nudist, as by definition, shortages will be completely unpredictable.

And they have spent millions training these guys over the years to watch them take that investment overseas.

I'd love to see the investment in the average 10 year pilot. Probably 3 type endorsements, 40 line sim sessions and plenty of courses.

To replace that is very expensive. Why do you think companies like EK are so keen to get it!

As usual Qantas will be caught with its pants down with a shortage of crew on the right aircraft, the right aircraft with the wrong configurations, the wrong aircraft on the right routes, and the right staff working for the opposition. Meanwhile the wrong staff will be trying to make the right decisions and the wrong pilots will be hired by the wrong HR people to fix the wrong decisions by the smartest men in the room who think they have the right stuff.

Give the little man a bonus!

Sorry, pushed submit before I was ready. One more quote I like:

QF now reminds me of my five year old when he uses my uniform as a dress up- he looks like a pilot, sort of but not quite. QF now looks like a real international airline, sort of but not quite.

Burrito,Keg,Tinee et al:
You speak a load of rubbish. My inquiries show that there has not been one Qantas pilot resign to go to Emirates since this started. There are a number who have taken LWOP to go however. Those who have taken LWOP still have their umbillical cords attached. What's new? If you were to take the AIPA line, all the best pilots have left to go to EK which implies that all the worst are left behind.

You're wrong. Simple.

Additionally, what difference does it make if guys are going on LWOP? I know most of the guys who have gone/are going and none plan on coming back. They might but it's unlikely.

I know of 4 prior to EK offering gigs to guys and gals on LWOP. Three of them were subsequently granted LWOP after EK changed the rules AFTER they had already resigned from QF but the resignation hadn't taken effect. One of them (744 F/O senior to me :ok: ) had already had his resignation take effect so he's definitely gone.

I'm not sure what that says about the quality of your 'inquiries' but it says a lot about your 'load of rubbish' assertion. :E

2 quick bites!
Simple question: are these guys still employed by Qantas? I think you'll find the answer is yes.

I'm still here.

How simple do I have to make this?

You are wrong. Pilots, more than one, have RESIGNED from QF to take positions with EK.

So what if they are? What exactly is your argument?

I know one guy who is gone on LWOP. He calls it a bonus but was quite prepared to resign. He also has no intention of coming back. Insurance policy is the term he used.

Absolutely. If you go back to the year dot.
My post said "since this started" meaning say since August 14th ie since the proposed cancellation of longhaul flying ie since the touted view is that the Qantas sky is falling in and there is no future for Qantas other than gloom and doom.

This is tedious. I read what you wrote.

My statement still stands- SINCE AUGUST 14TH, PILOTS HAVE RESIGNED FROM QF TO GO TO EK!

However, as the bloke in the coat wrote, what difference does it make? What is your point? Guys are leaving QF to go to EK. Presumably none are going because they prefer the weather in Dubai. More guys are in the queue to leave. Leaving EK aside, guys are leaving to go to other carriers. Lots of guys. Mostly mid level F/Os but S/Os are scheming as well.

Do you believe it's all hype? Everything is hunky dory? It will all be better this time next year?
If you believe any of those things, you are in a small, small minority.

Comprehension obviously not your strong suit fatmike! :ugh: :E

Not at all.
The more that leave and the quicker they leave the quicker we get back to normal divisors and no assigned leave. The only thing that is better than that would be if those that leave are actually those who whinge the loudest. If the statements re EK not employing those with egos then sadly that hope is forlorn.

Keg,
For someone who refers to pilots continually as "drivers" and continually complains about the denigration of the profession and specifically the position of a captain, you are a great contradiction so I wouldn't go pointing your pious finger too often!:=:=:=

I think QF will be thrilled if they could assign leave on the 744 fleet at the moment. Prior to the most recent slow down, there was talk of training excess 767 crew across to the 744 just so they could expedite that assignment of leave. Grounding four 744s from April delayed that plan but I suspect they won't be losing sleep over carrying 28 excess Captains and F/Os for a couple of years given how much excess leave there is on that fleet.

Sure you've got the right bloke?

FM you made some statements you asserted were fact, several others said you were wrong, now you play the man and not the ball. You are either a tosser or a fool or both, now stick to the topic.

Applications to EK from QF Pilots have not either decreased nor increased in the past 6 months......

:ok: