REX Resignations - pt 2
 

Seems like a particular person, aptly named after a bad fast food item, infiltrated a decent thread and managed to distract others from the bad management issues at Regional Express.

This thread is to be a continuation of this topic, for the simple fact that more are leaving and it give others around the Rex network an idea of whats going on in other ports as well.

I believe that another two or so pilots resigned the other day. Once to Alliance and the other to Cobham. Good for them! Is the total approx 18 in 1.5 months?

Any other developments of late, so we may see how this is affecting Rex?

• MEL/ADL pilots suddenly being called for sydney duties?
• Country ports doing more overnights?
• Rex Plans for Willie town run?
• The hiring of GA pilots again!?

And Moderators, can you simply just 'ban a distruptive person' that is obviously not contributing to the thread and purposefully distracting it, rather than close a thread down.. Cheers.

Great all we need is another REX thread. I bet even the MOD'S are sick of seeing REX threads.

Good point chicko, this will take up valuable bandwidth that could be better served for a I hate QANTAS/Jetstar thread. :hmm:

Thanks jibba jabba.

May I suggest guys that we all refuse to acknowledge chicko'. My guess he is a management stooge/troll, and was successful in his endeavors last time around.

So how about the latest resignations at REX I can only wonder how much longer they can sustain losing qualified pilots at this current rate. Does anyone have suggestions on what REX can do?

Nice try unwanted chicko-roll.

Mods keep an eye on Chickoroll's posts please. Its becoming circular and quite obviously disruptive! just like Rex managment - round in circles with no real answers.

What can they do Chickoroll!?, Stop foiling this thread and leave. That was answered quite thoroughly on the last thread so if you want to know go read that one, you should be familiar with the last TROLL effort you did!

Ha circular I like that just like these REX threads that you and a certain someone keep starting. Seriously you two are boring the test of us with them why don't you exchange phone numbers and call each other about it. Come up with a few fresh ideas guys really REX own demise is fast coming really boring!

Dont chicoroll's have a pasty exterior and on the inside they are full of lips and ar#seholes???

Righto! You lot play nice now.

This is a valid topic, and any attempts to derail it by personal sledging or trollish behaviour will see the perpetrators banned.

Keep that in mind, eh? ;)

Nice try Krusty, just looks like some people can't resist the bait being trolled around. :ugh:

If this thread gets locked then that would be a record of 8 locked threads on the one page....just amazing !:-)

Now to the subject at hand.
I recall many years ago Kendall's always had pilots leave simply to go further up the ladder, is this not partly the same reason for the continuation of pilots leaving? After all flying regional now is no big deal & would be looked upon as just a stepping stone by a lot of pilots especially if the T&C's where crap which seems to be a trait with Pelair.


Wmk2

I can't see how REX is so short of pilots. I now know of six pilots that have their CV in with REX and noooooooo word back from them. 3500 hours is the lowest of these guys.
Beats me what they are looking for, but these guys won't be on the market for long.

Simply staggering that so many of you aren't ever able to keep your hands away from the keyboard.

Total troll bait and I'm changing tack - the mods will thread ban those responding to being so ineptly and childishly manipulated. There's something to admire in high quality windups by a knowledgable troll but this is pre school level and those falling for it are the bandwidth wasters.

Rob

Thanks PPRuNe Towers & Tidbinbilla

.... Yes Rex has always had that level of "stepping stone" attitude, as mentioned in the last thread that CH did reveal that so long as they got three years out of you all good, but that is an obviously short sighted view.

I admit, some guys have that gleem of jets in their eyes, but most leaving dont. Its because of the frustration and lack of ability to not change the mangement attitude, all the while seeing wages and general T&C go backwards.
If you are going to work hard or for a hard boss, you deserve $$$$$$$ or lifestyle or a bit of both! Like I have always said, the revealing fact is the attrition rate doesnt lie!

Any news on:
cancelling flights/delaying flights?
- I heard that they are delaying flights by hours to get guys in off reserve from ADL etc so they dont have to pay the causual day payment! Sh*t, wont have too many customers wanting to come fly rex thats for sure!

Dont chicoroll's have a pasty exterior and on the inside they are full of lips and ar
 

I think you are refering to hot dogs OLEO! now lets get back on topic.

What are REX plans? surley they can't rely on cadets to save them that will take at least 2 years.

Jibba jabba: What you hear is correct & as i said in the old thread, seems the operating policy is starting to reverse, it was; (safety, pax comfort, schedule, economy) now it appears to be(safety, pax comfort, economy, schedule), all of managements doing. What will the order be next? Rosters are now turning to crap because of how many reserves people are getting, up to 3/4 of their roster on reserve, this then leaves sectors uncrewed so they can have more flexibility to shift people around interstate. Crewing are resorting to underhanded tactics calling people outside of work-reserve periods in the persons own time to give them duties for the coming days & telling people they must accept the duty because they were contacted even though it is out of scope of the eba, this is to try & limit the delays & get the flights crewed due to so many reserve days being rostered. Surely for the past three or so years they should have seen the lack of qualified people for upgrades & moved to top up this resource in between cadet courses. This matter has been an offence of strict liability from management & shareholders should be asking questions to the board about this. It is going downhill fast in my opinion & will only get worse unfortunately, morale in the ranks is taking a big hit also. I think its time to start looking elsewhere. It really is all take & no give from the company!!! They have made the bed they can now lay in it.

A good point has been raised here by Penetrator. Maybe the REXPC should move top put a maximum of say 10% pilots on call at any one time?
most decent companies have some sort of restriction on the amount of pilots on call at any one time...most DECENT companies!

Apache it would be good if the rexpc could get that to happen but I think the company would squash it straight away! I have heard that there is another mix of around 10 pilots waiting for a start dates with other carriers & some ready for retirement. The CHECK & training department may also be going to take a bigger hit. Rex crews are being utilized on the stack of pel-air charters, even having these flights rostered, because pel-air dont have enough crew either. There was up to 10 sectors in Sydney on thursday uncrewed, Krusty34 would be able to give a better appreciation of this. Topping this off Rex have/are starting a Newcastle run which will probably end up like the Brisbane episode of 4 years ago. To say Rex will not have an uncontrollable haemorrhaging on the way would be living in a dream world. They are as we speak scrambling to get some direct entry & upgradable people into the system.

The lifestyle that a regional pilot used to have is changing, typically with Rex. With so much more interstate flying & up to 4 days away at a time you would have to ask yourself, if I am living the domestic lifestyle I might as well get paid like a domestic pilot & fly the equipment of a domestic pilot.

Penetrator.

This is false! And not true. Provide evidence or stop exaggerating.


They are entitled to call you. You decide whether to answer or not. They can not force the duty on you unless its outside 14 days. You CAN tell them to call me back inside my reserve period and notify me then. But bear in mind your duty might get worse as things happen throughout day. If you answer your phone, you cannot complain about it. Everyone knows crewings number!

My bolding. Be careful of what you hear, rumor or fact! Can assure you most likely rumor.

Rex would be impressed
 

"This is false! And not true. ........."

Stiff Under Carriage, Rex the Moose Mossop would have been most impressed :D

Thank you, thank you :hmm:

But to say rostering is rostering 15/20 fly days as RSV is simply not true. No one has spoken of the fact. The REXPC/AFAP would be all over it.

Krusty, speak up here mate, you KNOW this is true. Why dont you come out and give credit where it's due and provide facts, or debunk outlandish claims.

Just dropping in here from a 'galaxy far, far away'. Here's something you might find useful I learned about 15 years ago while doing about 10 years straight on Reserve. Yeah, **it happens, even in the Majors.
If 'outside contact hours' calls are a bother to you guys, hear this. All landline phones can be configured to have TWO phone numbers ringing in to the same home phone/s. One number rings the normal way, 'two rings, two rings' the other number rings your phones in a distinctive way, 'three rings - three rings etc.'
So you set this up with Telstra, costs about $5 per month for the second number, then you leave all your friends on the 'two rings' number and you give scheduling [only] your new three rings number.
The phone rings: 'ring,ring,ring - ring,ring,ring. You know who it is straight away. Hmmm, you think. Am I obliged to answer it? Do I want to answer it? You decide! When this happens in our house, even today, we all laugh and my daughter [now 15 and has had this happen all her life, come to think of it] rolls her eyes and says 'Dad, it's Them, are you answering'?
My employer is smart enough to have an unlisted number and does not show up on caller ID. Maybe yours does still show up on ID? I don't know.
[Don't ever give your mobile number to your employer].
Instant difference to Quality of Life.

Stiff under carriage

I have seen one of these rosters with my own eyes (it was not my personal roster) you can believe it or not it's up to you! I dont really care. My own roster this period is running a very high reserve ratio considering no services have been cut, & never before have I seen so many reserve blocks on my roster. How do you say so confidently that "This is false! And not true" can you provide evidence to the contrary? The rexpc/afap may not have been informed I dont know but this was bought to the attention of the FOM what happened from there I do not know. The numbers are only talk around the place guess we will have to watch this space to see if it comes true. I certainly hope not. Maybe the rexpc/afap could have a look at the rosters for the past 3 months & ask the question about some of them. Surely the afap would only become involved if the people were members so maybe that could be a reason they have not been all over it! I have in no way said it is happening to everyone. How do you know that "No one has spoken of the fact" I guess because you dont know about it then these reserve rostering practices that have started to evolve are not happening, again we will have to watch this space for more developments if this way of rostering is kept up. I do hope that Krusty is privy to see some of these rosters, but he will have to look @ other bases & past rosters (not too far in the past), if he can be bothered about it. If he can infact substantiate what i have spoken about I will be gladly awaiting an apology, if not we stand at a stalemate in our disagreement. I agree about we decide whether or not to answer our phone & the duty could be worse if things happen through the day, but this does not give them the right to lie & tell you that you must accept the duty when you HAVE told them to call back in the reserve period to notify you.

So penetrator, you have seen a roster that has 15 of 20 works days as RSV have you? Was the person on SOC? Was the roster TRGRSV? If so then I would believe it. But that's not because they can screw that person over. Would simply be that the resources aren't there to deal with that. If that is the case too, then your post was still not telling the whole truth. I will apologise if I am wrong, will you?

As for the lying? Might it be the fact that crewing are pretty much all new and not fully aware of your rights? If this is the case you are Ina position to politely correct them, if you accept it, clearly YOU do not know your rights! Know what you are entitled too, that's your mistake but not knowing not theirs.

as more pilots go, the rostering dept has to get more creative and so does crewing. And you can bet that the people running the sections are putting pressure on to make things like this. They dont care about your eba as much as you do, after all, they are doing their job. :ugh:

And its a thing where you know if this rostering practices are true then it is clearly in the know by the C.P and the FOM's. Its just they also dont care about your eba that much either! they get the best of both worlds, the benefits of the eba and the benefits of being in the boys club/management.

shame really.

There is a good but old article called "Snakes in suits. When Psychopaths Go To Work"
A short video interview/news clip of the authors :
TODAY Video Player

Anyways, at the end of the day, treat your professional workers with respect, honour the EBA, if they cant do that, its easy, vote with your feet.

I must say Stiff that I have also seen a roster which was almost half filled by RSV and this person was not soc'ed. He was pretty unhappy about it. Also saw another with 10 RSV's made up of 3x3 in a row, and one single. Whether they chased it up with the REXPC I do not know.

FMC.

Stiff

Once again I believe you are trying to read more into things or are making excuses for their actions . All I have done is put some issues out in the air that are going on, these maybe factors in what help some people make their decision about resigning or why they are contemplating throwing in the towel & heading to other carriers. I have phoned the person that had the questionable roster today to confirm facts, 14reserves/19days possible flying, 1 course, not soc'd, no annual leave, no trng reserve. So I do apologise to you & to fellow ppruners for exaggerating. I asked if I could have a copy but this request was respectfully declined for his/her personal reasons (convenient I know;-) ).

Stop making excuses for the action of crewing, if they are new then they would of had training which should of covered this, if they are not sure they should seek help before issuing stand over tactics I will not fall for it but some may & this is not right on crewings behalf, they would probably get a better response from people if these tactics were not employed & a nice request to the person be asked.

Jibba totally agree with what you have said in your last post & believe that is what I was getting at.

FMC thanks for chipping in with some support of the crap rostering practices word has some people in Adelaide base have had blocks of 5 days in a row reserve, not much of a lifestyle with that going on.

Stiff
I ask of you, with all of your wisdom, what is a fair amount to be rostered on reserve? With this amount of reserves being rostered Rex must have a surplus of crew! We all know this is definately not the case. Or are some people flying their arses off while others wait for the phone to ring.
Once again I will say no services have been cut! So why so many people on so many reserves? We can clearly see that normal services are not being covered! I thought that the basic idea of reserve was to cover unscheduled leave, additional flights, charters, people SOC'D & so on. I say the way of rostering being employed is to allow the greatest amount of flexibility in swapping people around on a day to day basis so that the 14 day period your talking about in an earlier post does now not apply. This then leaves the people with this crap, unable to have any family or social life. Is this going to make want crews to stay in the company? I think NOT & thats what this thread is about resignations these rostering practices will help this process along.

It has been common for rosters to have 10 Reserve Days on them. I haven't had one myself for a few months, but when you do get one of those rosters it makes it hard to plan things outside of work.

For what it's worth I fly with Crusty all the time and he's one of the best pilots at Rex to fly with.

Careful buzzby300, or people may accuse Krusty of miss spending all those overtime payments! :E

On the subject of reserve periods on the roster, I personally haven't seen much evidence of this lately. My current roster has only one reserve. Last time around there was some talk about it, and indeed at the height of the bloodletting I do recall some rosters with significant reserve periods, even when services where being cancelled! At the time I queried this practice with the REXPC, but I honestly didn't see it as widespread?

Clearly if anyone see's there are significant reserves on their rosters, give the details to your local rep. Logically reserves should decrease in these "interesting" times.

So any report on what happened in Fair Work Australia today?

What are these jokers in Fair Work for again........?

Trying to screw over the C&T dept?
Trying to screw over crew with crap accomodation?
Still on about T Richards. Does anybody know what happened to the other guys they were going to GET for alleged poor driving skills.

I hear that another two Captains handed in resignations this week. Would anyone know what the ratio to F/O CAPT would be now?

What was the fair work meeting about? EBA stalled?

Well all I can say is that Rex deserves what they get; and that this problem of low moral and F*CKING OVER people is really caused by only a handfull of people in Baxter Rd. :ugh: You know who you are :mad:

To the rest of you, its been a pleasure. :ok:

I've been reading through the threads and finally decided to comment :) Be nice though i'm new! I came through the Rex Cadetship program (so I'm one of 'those' people) which gave me a fine initial insight to the chaotic organisation that is Rex. Like most things in Rex AAPA seems to be run on the smallest minimum cost (believe me the food is the cheap stuff!) of staff and resources. That place turns out the quality product it does because of the dedication and hard work ethic of the staff and not because they are paid well or treated well. There were pluses and minuses but I did enjoy the cadet program and glad I made the choice.

I also do enjoy my work at Rex. I know I am new, and that's fine, and I do my best to try and learn from the Captains I fly with. Some people don't like the cadets, and I understand why and see it as just another part of the office politics.

So I like the job and the people. It has just really staggered me to see the moral level plummet so much over the last few months. Over the last 12 years I've worked for lots of companies, big and small, and if any of those had staff engagement problems like Rex does now, there would be management down on the ground trying to work it out and fix it. It astounds me how no one in the invisible management team seems to care. How hard would it be for one of the executive to come to each of the crew rooms once a month so staff could talk to them. They could even take turns! I worked for a multinational bank, and the ceo visited every floor once a month to do birthdays and award handouts. It worked wonders for morale.

I always try to stay positive and see things 'glass half full' but recently have had a couple of incidents involving ops, crewing and being stuffed around that make me wonder who runs this ship. Rex makes money. That's great. I'm sure all Rex staff are thankful for that. And i'm sure the shareholder(s)! is/are happy. Unfortunately though in the race to the bottom line no one wins. What price do we all pay for the share price.

As I said, I'm new. I'm still keen and very happy to be flying and for the opportunity to get into the RHS of a Saab. But even my partner, when I have come home and related some of the stories of what's been happening has asked "when are you going to work for a real airline?"

Rex runs on the good will of it's employees. How long until that well runs out?

Snakes in suits.
 

Good post Komac;

Sad that you are starting to see the real Rex; Minimum support, cheap options and where managment hide and make rules that they dont see the effects of and the frustration of real life at the coal face.... and not just pilot issues. Its simple, they dont care, so neither should you.

Get your experience and get out, but in the mean time you are doing the right thing, be the best FO you can be, learn and support the EBA. Also, be applying for all the jobs you can think of.

LKH posted in the Friday Files a typical "warm snuggly message" to all things called EBA and tried once again to sound like a reasonable person. He uses the standard formula. Nice guy approach coupled with some obscure facts and figures that show the detrimental position the entire globe and economy is in..... and then uses this fear to suggest that WE all must PULL TOGETHER TO SURVIVE, like a family, you know and then offers some substandard EBA proposal!

Its no family LKH, the a man who spends over $100k to hire a QC to appeal the re-hiring of T.Richards only for it to be thrownout! Oh sorry that was Rex's money, and a fine waste that was; Oh sorry its the billionaire who tells us that its sooooo tough out there!

Comparing International carriers in foreign markets was also the same example he used in the last EBA scare tactic propganda! Then wow, rex produces a nice profit in the financial crisis! No profit share for you!
Its creative manipulation of numbers to make you give in to management proposals for this EBA.

Get stuffed LKH, its easy to see through your crap, and its just that, playing with peoples lives like it dont matter, hey, your "yes" men at the top forgo their pay rise, haha, what about the shares and tax-free dividends?? Thats the dirty little secret you dont want out, is that its not about wage soley, their large wage determines share allocation and then tax-free div's! Yawn, so predictable.

Yeah I agree, some of them do earn their money, but its certainly not ETHICAL! And thats why you have and always will have a high attrition rate!

All I can say is if you fall for it then your a goose with your head in a noose!

Its simple, other operators are taking turboprop guys and paying MUCH better, so time to step up LKH. :ugh:

how many cadets?
 

How many cadets have started courses at Rex (Wagga) in 2011, and what are their plans for 2012?

Surely the cadet intakes can't solve the problems of experienced resignations, no matter how many they train.

Seabreeze

Hi Seabreeze,

As far as I'm aware, there was three courses planned for this year - REX008, 009 and 010. Each with a planned 10 cadets. Last I heard there was also three courses planned for 2012. Don't know where all these cadets are going to go, and who will fly with them, as it seems there is a bit of a shortage for candidates for command upgrades.

That is all on hearsay though, so maybe someone else can comment giving some facts on this matter.

Its simple, they have started a ground school with direct entry GA people!

Still, they may only get a trickle of command potential in the short term with this approach.

So, really, when it comes to the wire, management always fall back on GA and fast track them through to command if they can; Much to the envy of people who paid $$$$$ to skip this GA process!