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Laborial abrogation of responsibility?
Creamie,
I'm sure that if we had a "like" button, you'd probably set records! I actually like almost everything you say, even though we occasionally diverge in our views. :ok: :D :D It may be nice if DF was in a dictatorial position - I'm sure he would be benevolent until he developed the McComic (copyrighted by Kharon but shamelessly pirated herewith :E) response to dissent. But politics is compromise and consultation, so group hugs are de rigeur on the Hill. Of course, the problem with group hugs is that nobody is watching who sneaks up from behind and joins in... :eek: The warning about the John Sharps of the world is valid, particularly as the Pel-Air teflon proved to be so effective. But the intuitive response is to make sure that the group contains all the arch enemies and opposing factions. The problem remains to ensure that the squeaky wheels don't rule the day. I agree with your sentiments that CASA lacks the intellectual capital to deal with issue. In the end, there has to be some acceptance that there are practitioners out there who truly embrace risk management and the reasonable rights of those incapable or unable to make informed decisions in the prevailing circumstances - their advice must be at least aired for consideration. Unlike DF, I don't think they get into the game as regulatory decision-makers since they can rarely avoid the perception of bias or the accusation of conflict of interest. We get back to the dilemma of how to get the "Laborials" properly and sensibly advised on the issues - we currently do not have an appropriate mechanism. :ugh: The emergency services vs medical services debate covers a wide range of conflicting issues - I suspect more so than RPT - but it has just been left unattended in preference to opening Pandora's box. Senate (or House) inquiries can be easily side-tracked and Governments can ignore the outcomes. And it's the wrong issue for judicial examination. It may well be that we saddle Angus up for another eminent persons panel, throw Mrdak, Shergold and perhaps the wonderful old "Peter" Lloyd into the party and have at it. I reckon 2-3 weeks would see it sorted - waddya reckon? Stay alive, |
Solid gold.
Ventus – well done, a dry, informative but satisfying find, to dip into at leisure. It's nice to know there are some clever folk, dedicated to the task, not afraid to admit mistakes and prepared to learn from making them. It's most refreshing to find a group taking as much pleasure from discovering their own mistakes as from 'solving' a puzzle. Most satisfactory.
There has been some waffle and hot air expended on 'how' to set policy etc. etc But the paragraph below saves a lot time by clearly defining for the ATSB what they need to do. Retrospectively would be a good place to start, say from Lockhart onwards. Include 'civil' in the ARL remit, throw them a few more dollars and we can all go home. It has my vote...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif The purpose of accident investigation is to discover the cause in order that appropriate corrective measures can be implemented in a timely manner, thus preventing any recurrence. These objectives are not always achieved and this report contains several examples where accidents went on recurring despite the best efforts of the ARL investigators. However, over the past fifty years, a remarkably high standard has been maintained which will withstand comparison with the best overseas. The important thing is to maintain continuity, to learn from past mistakes and to strive for improvement. PS> There was only ever one true consulting detective, dear old dotty Agatha 'borrowed' a fair bit from Arthur's good work. “It is quite a three pipe problem, and I beg that you won't speak to me for fifty minutes.” |
Leadsled, a couple of observations...
James Kimpton was an Ansett PR/lobbyist, not a lawyer I think. I remember him puffing and blowing occasionally around that place. The "Iron ring" of which you speak has the same charactersitics, in my opinion, as that narcissist Kevin Rudd. It is quite obvious that Kevin cares not whether the Labor party is in government or not as long as he runs it. Damage to the party, Government or country matters not as far as he is concerned. He just wants to get his hand back on the steering wheel. Likewise the CASA "iron ring" I suspect - they don't give a rats about the industry as long as they are in charge of whats left of it. PM & C acts as a counterweight to the mandarins of the Public service and deal with the issues of how to organise Government itself and how to balance the competing interests of the various departments. Without such a creature, the Cabinet and PM would be totally reliant on the mandarins for advice, and have no intellectual horsepower available to look at for example, the competing interests of treasury and finance departments and a raft of other such catfights. In my opinion, If PM & C threw a spanner in the works of a previous reorganisation of CASA, it was because they were told to, probably for the reason you mention. My limited experience of them was that they are the creme de la creme. Very bright, dedicated, hard working, incorruptible and patriotic people. They probably have bigger fish to fry than CASA. If they wanted to, the most junior of them could write the bills and enabling legislation to break up CASA and restore ATSB integrity over a weekend. To put that another way, if the PM wills it, CASA and ATSB can be very speedily fixed and it would be very stupid of CASA management to think that appeals to arcane technical arguments is going to save them. However, if the political jdgement is that it is not opportune to do so, then it won't happen. Now for "The Vision Thing" I often have to suffer through the infliction of cable television on me. However occasionally I see a TV show called "The Aviators" as well as a program about bush flying in Alaska. You get to watch ordinary people using aircraft as an everyday tool or recreation. You see bustling airports, airstrips and camping grounds in national parks, even (get this!) restaurants at GA airstrips! Compare this with the windswept graveyards that typify Australian regional airports and its pretty obvious what CASA has cost the Australian economy in jobs and GDP. As for the current Director, I'm sorry to say that his response to criticism (in response to the senate, and in the latest CASA report as well as the AMROBA meeting) just confirm we have a problem. Having said that, I don't know of anyone in Melbourne who has had a bad experience with CASA down here, quite the reverse it seems. |
… PM & C acts as a counterweight to the mandarins of the Public service and deal with the issues of how to organise Government itself and how to balance the competing interests of the various departments. … My limited experience of them was that they are the creme de la creme. Very bright, dedicated, hard working, incorruptible and patriotic people. … Dealing with the big issues, as always. :ok: … Compare this with the windswept graveyards that typify Australian regional airports and its pretty obvious what CASA has cost the Australian economy in jobs and GDP …. You can't resist focussing on the monkeys. The organ grinders love you. |
Like button - "Click".
CP #- "That outcome is almost entirely the consequence of governments selling off and abrogating responsibility for airports, and almost nothing to do with CASA."..http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/thumbs.gif But where to start, NFI – anyone out there with an opening gambit??? |
A different decade, a different Lovell.
The below link is interesting. It's an old event, however there are some of the same old issues that pop up as usual, namely;
• CAsA's treatment of individuals, particularly treating them as guilty until proven innocent, and • The topic of water ditchings/crashes and a legacy of BASI and ATSBeaker not being willing to recover aircraft crashed in water for investigative purposes. Clip below; Nice to see that nearly 20 years ago the 'iron ring' were still using the good old fax as a method to buggerise an aviator! |
Yakkity Yak and the IOS!
Yep 004:ok: like a broken record!:ugh:
Although Leady’s history post was very informative, perhaps the RRP history, government policy abrogation..etc could be taken across to Creamy’s thread on the subject?? Suggestion: The PAIN Summary (or here pdf title: RRP&Recommendation13) of RRP, industry (IOS) sentiment and Pelair report R13 pdf could be a good talking point to kick the debate off! Ventus I have to agree with the Ferryman here… “Gold..solid gold”!:D Kharon: Ventus – well done, a dry, informative but satisfying find, to dip into at leisure. It's nice to know there are some clever folk, dedicated to the task, not afraid to admit mistakes and prepared to learn from making them. It's most refreshing to find a group taking as much pleasure from discovering their own mistakes as from 'solving' a puzzle. Most satisfactory. While they’re at it a short jaunt up to Brisvegas to lift and examine the Hempel Yak wouldn’t go astray, refer ‘bizbug182’ post and quote from Oz story transcript ‘The Men Who Fell To Earth’: JOHN JONES, CASA INVESTIGATOR 2003-2010: As a result of the fatality a fresh investigation started. It was initially dealt with by the Queensland Police. CASA got involved looking into what may have been the circumstances leading up to the crash. There’re number of issues that we were looking at, you know, whether it was perhaps suicide, whether it was a mechanical problem, whether it was just human error, whether there were medical problems. Because it wasn’t obvious and perhaps because the aircraft wasn’t recovered. SAMANTHA HARE: From the very beginning of when I lost of Ian, nothing seemed to unfold the way that you would expect it to unfold when it came to the investigation. The plane was only 20 metres under water. They knew exactly where the plane was, they were able to recover Ian and Barry Hempel. But nobody was willing to actually raise it. BRUCE HARE, SAMANTHA’S FATHER: We were told that it was going to come up eventually, and then they said, no, there’s no evidence, evidentiary value for the plane coming up, so it’s not going to come up now. LYN BRYANT, SAMANTHA’S MOTHER: Marty and Sam basically worked, writing letters, contacting local members, trying to you know do all this work. They’d ring every week, "Is the plane coming up?, is..." "No, no, no, no." JOHN JONES, CASA INVESTIGATOR 2003-2010: It certainly would have helped to have recovered the aircraft as opposed to divers diving on it and trying to make assessments of possible reasons for it to have crashed. Such as loose objects that could have interfered with the foot controls of the aircraft that may have then jammed and then caused the aircraft to crash. PAMELA AYSON, BARRY HEMPEL’S SISTER: Now the passenger on that day had a camera. And it was supposed to have been strapped to his wrist. The camera was never recovered. Did the camera dislodge and become stuck under the controls and Barry lost control of the aircraft? We’ll never know. JOHN JONES, CASA INVESTIGATOR 2003-2010: Unfortunately there was no agreement made, or even a cost-sharing basis of the recovery of the aircraft and unfortunately it’s still just remains there as a dive wreck to this day. Go to the Oz story webpage (click here), look to the right of the page under index and click on ‘Shane Urquhart: Interview (3.18)’ (nb make sure you click ‘high’). Shane pretty much sums up, from a layman’s point of view, the embuggerance and obfuscation going on in aviation regulation/investigation in this country!:yuk: While we’re on the subject of embuggerance did anyone notice this comment from FF at the end of the program: The Civil Aviation Safety Authority says it had no knowledge and had received no reports or information that Mr Hempel was conducting unauthorised flights after CASA’s cancellation of his commercial pilot licence in 2007 Then we have this comment from Beakersville: The Air Transport Safety Bureau says that after a review it has committed, despite limits on its resources, to investigate all fatal accidents involving powered aircraft with a civil registration, regardless of the nature of the operation. |
Sunny
If you can, you you might try and find the ATO from the now closed Geelong Airport, I'm pretty sure he's now driving a GLEX out of Moorabin. I've a copy of the AAT report from all that.(somewhere) It will open up a complete new avenue for you to explore. The CASA FOI in question at the time, was a/ denied entry to an operator on the grounds of his conduct, and b/ denied entry onto a LARGE corporate jet at YMMB for the same reasons.
Cheers :E |
Creampuff said:
That’s why the Prime Minister is knitting a toy kangaroo for Will and Cate’s baby. According to the rags that feature the story on the front page, the concept came directly from Ms Gillard's own staff. Dealing with the big issues, as always. :ok: These were too: "The Prime Minister has added to the general carnival atmosphere in this parliament with this photograph," Mr Pyne said this morning. "I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. "What it shows is that we know the Prime Minister is good at spinning a yarn and now we have the photographic proof of it." Source: Julia Gillard agrees to knitting photo shoot in Women's Weekly; says no regrets on election timing - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) |
I agree with your sentiments that CASA lacks the intellectual capital to deal with [the] issue. Let’s take a hypothetical classification of operations proposal: All aircraft design, construction, equipment and maintenance standards be set at the current transport category standard, all crew qualification standards be set to the current RPT standard, and all aerodrome and airways and air traffic control services be set to the current RTP standard. You get all the best pilots and engineers and ATC’ers and aerodrome operators on the planet together, and ask: is that a good proposal? With one voice they say: “Yes!” Then someone says: “But hang on a sec’. If we set standards that high, vast amounts of aviation services that are currently provided would no longer be viable, absent billions in investment. There must be a balance between risk and cost and benefits and dis-benefits. Where is the balance to be set?” At that point, all the best pilots and engineers and ATC’ers and aerodrome operators on the planet say with one voice: “That’s not our call.” It’s like a solicitor’s client asking the solicitor: “Should I sign this contract?” The solicitor’s answer is: “That’s not my call. I’ve explained the potential risks and rewards. It’s your decision to enter the contract or not.” That’s why the regulatory ‘reform’ program will drift along forever. [W]hy in all the hells are we letting mid level bean counters and bum wipers run the show? Why do we allow the snakes and weasels to spend so much time money to cover the ministerial arse with excuses (plausible deniability)[?] 1. The government is there to govern in the public interest (not legally true in Australia, but that’s what governments tell you…) 2. Therefore, government agencies are there to serve the public interest (what else would they be there for?) 3. The government is elected by the people. Therefore, it’s up to the government, not agencies, to decide what’s in the public interest (of course it is!) 4. The government is elected by the people. Therefore the government’s interests and the public interest are one and the same (hello Mr Orwell …) 5. Therefore, government agencies are there to serve the government’s interests (disappearing into Orwellian vortex…). 6. The government’s interests are not served by people who bring bad news rather than solutions and options, or who insist that government make decisions or take responsibility for something that might upset someone. 7. Solution: Install in all government agencies a layer of “snakes and weasels to cover the ministerial arse”. :ok: |
All leave passes cancelled?
An email went out yesterday arvo at FF announcing Mr Skull is going overseas for work for a few weeks and that Terry from the west would be sitting in the hot seat. Then last night The Australian Story is aired (and by the way Miss Hare is a beautiful young lady), and all of the sudden Mr Skulls planned foray overseas has been 'postponed'.
Now this is all just here-say, rumour and hypothetical banter but perhaps the Hawaiian shirt wearer received a Ministerial? Has he been summonsed to Sith Mrdak's office in Spamberra? Perhaps he has been asked to take the little glider pilot manager who oversighted GA in Brisbane ATOG with him? Or has somebody asked Herr Skull to challenge Gillard for the leadership or has there been a spill undertaken by the 'iron ring' forcing the Skull to challenge for his leadership? John, get those cab charges in order, fuel up the car, water the pot plants and turn off the lights in the ergonomic office as I think you may be travelling a bit to Spamberra over the coming weeks! (Pssssst - wear a blue tie mate). 'With responsibility comes accountability' |
Sunny,
James Kimpton, AO, was and is a lawyer, originally from Adelaide, a long time resident of Melbourne. He was head of "Government Relations" at Ansett, which is, I guess, all about being a lobbyist. These day, he lectures in aviation law at one of the Victorian universities, and is a former editor of the ALAANZ journal. In the matter I referred to, in the days of John Anderson, as I understand it, the shutting down of Anderson's planned major shakeup of CASA came from well up the food chain. It is a pity Anderson didn't go ahead with his plans. Contrary to what many people believe, he had a much greater in-depth knowledge of what needed to be done to break the back of the "CASA Kulture" and make certain that it never re-emerged, than any previous Minister, including Sharp. This despite the fact Sharp was energized by his close involvement in the "Morris" inquiry,and the Monarch crash aftermath. In my opinion, Anderson's reputation as the worst ever Minister responsible for aviation is undeserved, he had both an intuitive and and in-depth understanding of risk management and the importance cost/benefit analysis, and their absolute application in obtaining best possible outcomes for the safety dollar. He carried the can for those that I believe were really responsible --- and bear a heavy responsibility for the position aviation is now in, as far as CASA and ATSB is concerned. It is often said that success had many fathers, failure is an orphan, but we all know that the failure that is the bastard administration of aviation regulation in Australia also has what looks a bit like a Hydra headed monster for a parent --- let us hope that, unlike the original Hydra, one head is not immortal. One thing Anderson clearly understood was that, in the event of a major disaster in aviation, the Minister would wear the political fallout, regardless of various supposedly "independent" authorities, and took the view (expressed publicly on a number of occasions) that, if he was going to wear the political fallout, he may as well have a measure of real control. Aviation regulatory development and its administration would be very different now, if he had had his way. And just as an added bonus, we would have had a truly independent ATSB that was a creature of the Parliament, not a minor authority in an omnibus Department of Transport and Whatever Else Is Thrown In --- in short, just like the NTSB. Tootle pip!! |
IOS 'Hall of Fame' recipient!
004 now that’s a rumour I can get my head around!;)
OK just wedge in here between the historians...the lawyers and the political commentators:E all drifting away on the RRP and government policy..ho..hum...or whatever??:rolleyes: Now I propose that Mr Urquhart be placed in the IOS ‘Hall of Fame’ and that he be given a lifetime membership…hmm anyone second that??:confused: Shane Urquhart edit for website extra (Overlay beginning as per early version of story edit) Samantha: Shane Urquhart lost his daughter in a plane crash and he’s been a passionate advocate for reform in the aviation industry since her death and, yes, he reached out to me when he heard my story and he’s been a really supportive person for me throughout. Shane [00:06:58] ... we first made contact with Samantha and her family just after the Hempel incident and we had long conversations actually here in this room about the implications of what they were about to endure as a family and the long road ahead of them in actually trying to find out what exactly happened. Shane [00:01:17] The really distressing thing about aviation since Lockhart River and the inquest into Lockhart River has been that there have been more deaths and really nothing has changed as far as the regulator goes and as far as the ATSB goes. The regulator now, and I’m talking about CASA and the ATSB, now have signed a memorandum of agreement or understanding and that was a recommendation from the Lockhart River um inquest. Shane [00:04:18] ... I’m appalled by that, because now we have the two organisations that basically look at what happens in the aviation industry in Australia working together. You have the regulator making the rules and the investigator who investigates any problems with that working with them side by side. How can that be fair and just? Shane [00:05:49] ... As far as my family and myself are concerned, and I’m sure the other families involved in uh aviation incidents since then, that was a huge waste of time and now we have the situation where CASA basically rules the roost. They tell the ATSB what- what- what to do. Shane [00:10:47] Attending the inquest was um quite eerie actually and brought back some memories. Um some people have said to me that it would be quite emotional but I must say that I parked emotion a long time ago and really we’re just searching for some sort of answers as to why these things continue to happen and why the people who are supposedly regulating to stop these things from happening are still there and still applying the same rules. Shane [00:27:51] ... I was very impressed with Coroner Hutton, whom I thought was across all the issues and certainly did not hold back in asking questions where they needed to be made. Shane [00:12:02] For me, the implications of this particular inquest are the parallels with the Lockhart River inquest. CASA playing its blame game, not blaming themselves, trying to abrogate its responsibility and also making scapegoats of other people. Shane [00:15:37] ... I’m very concerned that there’ll be scapegoats made of the doctors, both the CASA doctors a-and those who were advising Mr Hempel. Shane [00:17:34] ... I think there are some other questions that need to be answered. The first one is why was Barry Hempel considered to be a fit and proper person to hold a pilot’s license. Shane [00:17:59] The second one is I firmly believe as do others, that someone further up the chain in CASA actually made the decision and pressured the doctors to give him that particular license back. I’d like to know who that person was and why he made that decision. Shane [00:19:35] So in the light of those questions, does it follow then that Barry Hempel was a protected species? Nice rave from Glenn Dyer in today’s Crikey and very high regional viewership this week: ABC1's Australian Story at 8pm averaged 1.317 million national/ 844,000 metro/ 473,000 regional viewers and again underlined why ABC news and current affairs programs are streets ahead of their commercial rivals in finding and bringing to air very good, news-making stories. Last night's episode was no exception. A Brisbane coroner has to report in August on the deaths of two men in a plane accident, but from what was shown last night, the aviation industry regulator, Casa, has a lot to answer for, on top of the Pel Air jet story, where Casa is up to its neck in doubt and poor regulation. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/06/25/glenn-dyers-tv-ratings-house-rules-nails-the-reno-demographic/ |
Ordinary people
Sarcs, an eloquent, tasteful and dignified post. Well done :ok:
People such as Mr Urquhart, Samantha Hare, even Ziggychick are the human side to these accidents. And there are many many more who have, are, and will be touched by the by the actions and/or inactions of those entrusted with the care and oversight of Australian aviation. (You know who you are) Would Mr McCormick, Mr Dolan, Mr Albanese and Mr Mrdak have enough fuzz on their fruit and dare to face people like the Urquhart's and Hare's face to face and look them in the eyes and deliver the same rhetoric, spin, denial and plain bollocks that they tell everybody else? Perhaps over a cup of tea Mr Urquhart and Miss Hare could share photos and videos of their deceased loved ones weeks, days or hours before being tragically killed? Or perhaps permit the Coroner to stick postmortem photos of their deceased loved ones under the nose of these career bureaucrats who have lost sight of the real world by hiding, protected - like rodents in a sewer, away from the real world, in silo's where truth and accountability are mere fantasy and where ego, pride and contempt for human life rules alongside bonuses and executive remuneration? The Urquhart's and the Hare's are real people. What they have had to endure is a disgrace, it is a cold blooded squeeze on their spirit. It is a disgrace that so many other people can see these travesties for what they are - Senators like Fawcett and Xenophon, the Warren Entsch's , the experienced aviation folk, honest justice seekers and truth promoters like Paul Phelan and Ben Sandilands and the list goes on. Are all these people wrong? Are all these people actually what McCormick refers to as 'ills of society'? Are these fine individuals merely a manifestation of tautology, a pest to be dealt with by Government employees delivering sharp verbal jabs and soul destroying blows? Hate to tell you this but in reality, much to the dismay of our friends sitting in Government agencies - we are all ordinary people. We breathe the same air and our **** smells the same. Tragedy potentially awaits any of us, anywhere, any time. It could be our story being aired in the media one day. So FFS will somebody please act now. Whether it be the Feds, the good Senators bending the ears of Sunfish's beloved PM&C, a CAsA suit caving in to his tainted conscience or a powerful well meaning politician at the Ministerial level. Enough is enough. 'With responsibility comes accountability' |
Why is this Senate Inquiry important?
The journey across the Styx has been made by many, I hear many tales and to this day I can feel for those who were, on fate's whim torn from their life early. There is little that can be done, it has been a part of life since the dawn of time. I think that human kind has developed over the millennia a grudging acceptance and self preservation system for dealing with sudden, unexpected death. It's not a perfect system, and nowhere near any sort of fun; but, as there is in reality nothing which can be done; those left behind must struggle through as best they may. I can deal with that, as I can deal with the philosophy that will not allow an animal to suffer, it is and will remain one of the very unpleasant, harsh realities associated with our very existence.
I have noted over a number of adult years that those left behind, wondering; more easily (for wont of better) accept a sudden death when the reason can be 'understood'. Many years ago I lost a good friend during a 'difficult' climb; his parents and all who knew and valued that life were gutted but it was 'clearly defined'; fate had taken a hand and although the road ahead was, for a while rocky, there was at the end of it a reluctant acceptance, made easier because a tangible 'reason' had been defined. Since the first, I have now attended many funerals, pilots in the majority of cases; and, provided the 'crutch' of a defined reason was available, acceptance of sudden death was eventually achieved. None of this is a stroll in the park, it's tough stuff this harsh reality. There are many learned tomes written by clever folk explaining the very human process of "getting over it", which do not reduce the pain, erase the anguish or lessen the guilt, but do seem to provide a form of logic which can be of some assistance, should Grandpapa not be available. I have noted, there is very little to aid those who cannot find an 'acceptable' reason for a sudden death and are obliged to seek one, as best they may. Take Shane's road, his beloved daughter Sally killed in an accident, as an intelligent parent to assuage grief a reason was sought and had the accident been caused by 'an act of the gods' or any tangible, comprehensible reason, then Shane would bury his dead, do his grieving and move on, with a part of him always missing a beloved child. In trying to discover the reason why and arrive at an acceptable understanding, the intelligent part of SU discovered that the death could have been prevented, that the investigation was compromised, the regulator was quite happy shuffle off their part of the blame and that the insurers would happily use any or all excuses to save a few bob. Fury generated out of natural grief and anger, fed by pain created the iron will and determination to expose, what has now been proven to be a system populated by some who are devoid of any form morality and live, happily disconnected from reality. The rest is, as they say, history. History does repeat and now Samantha Hare joins the ranks of those who had enough to deal with before discovering what lay in the murky depths. It is not possible to gauge what the response will be from the Wilson family, after the Coroner has struggled through the Canley Vale hearing and attempted to winnow truth from the dross. A good bet would be they end up following the Urquhart trail; the road to perdition. Why ?? oh, that's easy the ATSB report is, I believe flawed, bereft of truth, technically imperfect and has been severely influenced by the same vested interests which have caused so much additional heartache for others left behind. I'll leave this small twiddle here, with two question which do require and will have answers: were CASA made fully aware by 12 months (almost to the day) that an accident of this type was imminent, the reasons why it was imminent and how to prevent that accident??. What did CASA do with that knowledge??. My apologies for the morbid post: but listening to Rod Lovell and knowing his story; watching and listening to Samantha Hare and knowing the story, listening the Shane Urquhart and knowing the story, knowing Ziggy Chick (get well soon) and her story; anticipating Canley Vale; then following the Senate Inquiry hoping all the while that some assistance for those damaged by the system like Quadrio and Barrier will result: has dampened my SOH somewhat. But there: no doubt I'll get over it and more easily than I should. Selah. |
Would Mr McCormick, Mr Dolan, Mr Albanese and Mr Mrdak have enough fuzz on their fruit and dare to face people like the Urquhart's and Hare's face to face and look them in the eyes and deliver the same rhetoric, spin, denial and plain bollocks that they tell everybody else? But he let someone else do the actual firing. It's not as if any of them were called into his office and told face to face. (One pilot found out he was jobless after the turnstile wouldn't click over when he reported for his rostered flight. One or two were fired by fax). For all the taxpayers' dollars spent on DAMP calendars with missing months, regulation re-writing etc I find it difficult to believe that the resources were not there to surveil, stop and arrest Hempel and if necessary to have put in place measures to forcibly detain him and clamp his aircraft. If it had been any of the rest of us... |
Coveted members of the “IOS”!
Well said 004 and Kharon….:D:D
004: The Urquhart's and the Hare's are real people. What they have had to endure is a disgrace, it is a cold blooded squeeze on their spirit. It is a disgrace that so many other people can see these travesties for what they are - Senators like Fawcett and Xenophon, the Warren Entsch's , the experienced aviation folk, honest justice seekers and truth promoters like Paul Phelan and Ben Sandilands and the list goes on. Are all these people wrong? Are all these people actually what McCormick refers to as 'ills of society'? Are these fine individuals merely a manifestation of tautology, a pest to be dealt with by Government employees delivering sharp verbal jabs and soul destroying blows? In trying to discover the reason why and arrive at an acceptable understanding, the intelligent part of SU discovered that the death could have been prevented, that the investigation was compromised, the regulator was quite happy shuffle off their part of the blame and that the insurers would happily use any or all excuses to save a few bob. Fury generated out of natural grief and anger, fed by pain created the iron will and determination to expose, what has now been proven to be a system populated by some who are devoid of any form morality and live, happily disconnected from reality. The rest is, as they say, history. History does repeat and now Samantha Hare joins the ranks of those who had enough to deal with before discovering what lay in the murky depths. [YOUTUBE]Shane Urquhart IV - YouTube PAIN PDF 1 PAIN PDF 2 |
Hide in the trenches boys
It's only been a couple of hours since Joolia got pineappled but I heard that Swanny has pulled the pin, so who becomes Treasurer - Bowen or The Minister for Mascot? Either way I am guessing that there will be new transport minister this week (perhaps), which means Sith Mrdak will be reporting to another drone who knows little about aviation. I hope the Senate work doesn't get lost between the cracks like a CAsA FOI request? Messrs Fawcett and Xenophon may have to work extra hard to keep that flame burning and stop it from being extinguished. The opportunist rodents lurking around FF's troughs will use this unstable environment and the smoke clouds of political fallout to ply their trade of spinning, deflecting, twisting, running, dodging and hiding to avoid being held to account :=
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Albanese elected deputy leader.
Does that mean a new transport minister? Senator Fawcett?! 004 got there first. But ........ From today's Telegraph Civil Aviation Safety Authority boss John McCormick denies accusations of misbehaviour on flight No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au |
004 has it right. The senate work is now lost between the cracks in the floorboards. Game over.
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