Rudder,

You are right... i also have alot of friends involved in this op and hope they don't have to go thru a company failure. Unfortunately the BNE-MEL flights are a massive mistake. As is always the case when a company fails the big boys walk away not too bad off and the rest get screwed.

AtlasJet looked a little lost the other day, cut us off and went into the wrong bay! About on par with AirAsia!

jet_m How nice to have somebody from AA management join the discussion. May I suggest that "Pax loads are 120-140 on every flight" is a complete and utter lie.

Now I remind you that the rest of your issues are because your PR machine has no idea. The issue with Flight Centre was real and of your own doing. The bad PR you created on Facebook and other public media is because you deliberately deleted people with feedback you didn't like. Be far more honest and forthcoming with fact and truth. ie. Dont lie that you have your own flight crew on Turkish wet leased a/c to pax and maybe they wont hate you.

Dont pretend that the BNE-MEL is a huge success. 2 weeks over the peak holiday season does not in any way equal making profits.

Respect the travelling public with honesty and integrity and they may well support the new kid on the block. Piss them off with "twists of the truth" and they will hate you with spite. For the sake of everybody I hope you survive.

Answer from Air Australia:

So "rudder" if you couldn't care less how they go, why do you spend every waking hour (along with A1), dumping your bile and negativity for all to see?

You actions don't support your purported attitude. You really got to wonder don't you?

Simple retort to this is "What bile?"

Some of you are justing praying that they will fail, some others are just pure **** stirrers and a few of you know the truth.
The loads are very good ( and that is from the horses mouth, not conjecture) and with a little luck it will continue for them.
This is supposed to be forum populated by some bright and capable people but from some of the crap written I sense that many fall well outside of these parameters.

Indeed if you look at the thread the naysayers were wrong about the deal with ilfc. I am sure they are wrong about many things, but making up for ones own faliures in life is quickly band aided by a 'they'll never make it' post on pprune! :}

Any comments on evilC's decision to leave? Did his reading of the writing on the wall have anything to do with it?

I for one hope Air Australia keeps going and grows.

It's a shame here in Oz, so many people like to see someone who gets off their butt and has a go at something fail. This is so different to the US where people will try out a new businiss, no matter what it is and let it succeed or fail on its merits.

So instead of bitching about how blogs doesnt have the right to have a new business, lets get out, try that new shop, resteraunt, airline etc etc. Encourage friends and family to try it.

For too long we in Oz have sat back and said how good are we, and how good we have it,but the reality is we are falling behind the rest of the world at an ever increasing pace.

You never know, we just may be able to keep a few jobs in this country.

Can anyone comment on Air Australia ground staff recruiting?

That would be Menzies.

Air Australia
 

Who and what are they? :sad:

Air Australia is the new name for Strategic Airlines. Read Page 1 of this thread.

VH-YQC had issues in MEL today and looks like it went unserviceable was still parked at F17 when I left at 1430.

Unfortunately they have a very aged A320 fleet.......20 year old machines.

Compared to the issues Skywest have had with their A320 which is a year newer at 19 years old, they are not doing too bad....yet.

Back in service.

AA are getting a hiding on their social networking page about the Turkish A330. :ugh:

Is there a link to that page?

R they still recruiting pilots. Looking for a way home.

Check out the about, careers on Air Australia - Home
Abt, check your PM

I see they are advertising for pilots.

Seriously though, I'm rather tired of recruiting people with no idea writing the list of what a pilot applicant should have... What the heck is a "Class 1 Australian ATPL?" (which is immediately followed by "Class 1 Medical" requirement)

If I wrote similar nonsense on a resume I'm sure when read by the appropriate person it would be given the appropriate round file treatment, yet when the shoe is on the other foot... :=

Management can sprout whatever nonsense they like yet if our p's and q's are not in order we are incompetent and not worth the time of day... At least get the CP or head of T&C to write the requirements so the secretary can 'cut and paste' when doing her job. How hard can it be?!

It is possibly written by HR :ugh:

Anyone know if they provide endo training with a bond/sal sacrifice type scheme?

Short answer, no. A type rating s a requirement to apply.

AA
 

Air Australia is looking for DEC, any of you guys know what the terms and conditions are?

(FACTS would be appreciated instead of B/S) :cool:

74, these are the facts :

1) if you don't have A320/330 command time, you are 99% sure not to get DEC.

2) if you are not ex Ansett and or know someone in flight ops management, you are 99% chance of no DEC.

3) there are plenty of capable effos that exceed the command requirements that you will be displacing ( this doesn't normally bother pilots :rolleyes:

Non facts : as with the last advert for pilots I believe they are on a fishing expedition as the have no immediate need for drivers .

As with a lot of Australian outfits it's an ex AN boys club. Sorry if that offends some but I'm sure most will agree.

Good luck

A330 to HNL last week had 3 CAPT's up front and 2 on the return.

Unless it's all training, there didn't appear to be a shortage of Skippers.

As a side note, they better get some more A330's quick because the ones they have looked totally f%*ked inside. :yuk:

Plenty of pax grumbling that tv/seats/lights/toilets didn't work.

Crew were very good, but you could tell they were frustrated at the state of the cabin.

AA
 

Hongkongfooey thanks for the reply, I do have Airbus COMMAND time but I'm not an ex ansett. I have however sent my CV.
I presume you have no idea on the terms and conditions since you haven't answered my questions..... :cool:

Don't shoot the messenger
 

HKF
Just the facts…
At last count there were just as many ex-Dragon guys there, with yet another ex-Dragon A330 DEC joining soon. The new Chief Pilot, his deputy and the fleet manager are all ex- D and they prefer to employ their own. Some other management and checkie positions about to be filled by ex-D guys also.
AA pilots are the lowest paid A320/A330 pilots in Oz. There is no CPI, no bonus, no overtime, no union, barely a uniform (if you’re lucky) and they refuse to clean the aircraft and crewrooms, not even a rubbish bin for 200 crew.
The culture is punitive Dragon style, rife with cronyism, depressing due to the problems onboard the old aircraft and not financially secure. If anyone dares to speak up they are interrogated by the Jackboot Gestapo and told “Wenn Sie mögen es nicht, f**k off”
Aircraft are the oldest and filthiest in Oz and are clapped out.

All thick smoke and cracked mirrors, real shame as it could be good :bored:

The trouble for the ever winging, always negative HKF is that although he is KA, he is just a lowly 320 FO who's opinion of himself far exceeds his ability. He also has a pathological hatred of anything ex Ansett. So a company that only takes DEC's whom are also ex Ansett is just a perfect target for his puerile venom. :{:{

Mastema, you're full of it.:= I assume you are a bitter and twisted ex AA employee.

I've a few mates flying there ( and yes, two are ex Ansett ) and although they could always do with more money, they don't seem that unhappy.

They don't get too many resignations amongst the pilots, although I do believe they have a turnover in the F/A dept

THRidle

I did ask for the messenger to not be shot but okay, I'll play.

Which part of my post is not accurate? You even admit that your Mates are not well paid.

If my source is correct about 12 pilots have resigned since 'Strategic' started and about 10 looking to move on.

I dont have an axe to grind, just bored in a grungy hotel room and responding to the HKF post.

Old fart, 18 posts and you know me so well, I'm flattered. Unfortunately like most of the dribblers on PPRUNE, you are full of it, I am neither an FO or with KA. My info comes from current employees of AA, and I apologise, ex AN ex KA boys club, would not surprise me if u belong to one of those, and here's a news flash : ANSETT WENT BROKE 11 YEARS AGO, THAT'S HOW GREAT IT WAS.

10. Pilots since strategic started
 

I would say 10 pilots leaving since strategic started is a pretty good retention rate give they have been around 4 or 5 years. I'm sure JQ VA of QF would love to boast a number like that. BTW my good friend is an FO there, he's paid more the Aussie JQ pilots and nearly on Par with VA Fo,s there his exact words, so I don't think pay is an issue. What is concerning is all the Bull**** that you guys dig up and call facts. Most but not all of you need a life.

Jack
That was 12 pilots since Strategic Airlines started in late 2009/ 2010. I think comparing 12 pilots leaving a group of 50 odd (24% attrition) with 1000 odd in VA or JQ and 3000 odd in QF is hardly apples for apples.
I didn’t say there was a pay issue. I was referring to a previous Pprune post which listed the payscales of the Oz carriers. AA was at the bottom.
It is very easy to make sweeping statements that everything you don’t like reading is BS and posters should get a life.
I see from your previous posts that you are very protective of AA so let’s just say the bit about your AA mate’s pay is BS and maybe you should get real?

Find it hard to believe the Air Australia FO's are nearly on par with VA 737 FO's. Most VA 737 FO's are on a base of around $120K and pick up another $15-25k in allowances and overtime.

Lets just say
 

Mastama! let just say as you did, dont shoot the messanger, my meager 30 posts in total tell you I dont live on here.

Im just following this thread with interest as I do have friends working there and basically from time to time I have a look as I am interested in whats happening. But Im glad you took more time to review my previous posts, make me feel all warm and fuzzy to think someone cares that much.....

GAFA, Ok maybe on par was a rash statement, but just having spoken to him they are not far behind and Iam only talking a few thousand below your quoted 120K mark. Certainly not the lowest paid 320 F/Os in Australia by a long stretch.

I dont know if AA is going to be a success or a failure, but I hope for all the staff and people that work there that it becomes a raging success. If not only to prove all the doomsayers wrong.

Ive wasted far to much of my valuable time on here already and this thread has run it course one would think.

This thread is almost as much of a basket case as the bloody airline! :ugh::ugh:

I hope they don't fail - the reviews they're getting are spectacularly bad, both from the atlas bird and their own - at least as a spectator, they don't fail to entertain! Their social media policy of deleting complaints/banning customers with gripes shows a grave ignorance of basic PR.

They appear to be a cash strapped poorly run business earning a very bad reputation for themselves, being defended by a few eternally optimistic employees with blinders on to the harsh reality.

Load factors are one thing, yield is another, and it all means nothing if you treat your customers/passengers/guests (whatever you call them) like crap by over promising and under delivering.

Jacktgelad:

"Certainly not the lowest paid 320 F/Os in Australia by a long stretch."

If Air Australia are not the lowest paid A320 FOs in Australia then who are?

I think the pay is pretty good for the work they do, and only people trying to make their pay sound good count allowances and/or OT.
I have 2 mates that are good operators, very experienced and bypassed by people with no experience ie CPs son, so that's not a boys club ? AN, KA whatever. Real airlines don't do that 5hit, and the irony of that almost never happening at their previous employers (AN/KA) is not lost on myself and a lot of others. Can anyone spell " hypocrisy "

( they would have screamed blue murder if anyone jumped the que at their previous employers )