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Yeah Worrals I agree, and Qantas did have Margaret Jackson until the failed APA bid... (Now over at Bonds/Pacific Brands)
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The cast, crew and the plot appear to be pretty much the same, nothing has changed much since 2007...except the share price. :eek:

Have aread of this SMH article .The predictable puff piece from the complicit mainstream media looking after their big end of town buddies when they are in trouble.Folks ,these media whores are part of the problem not the solution.


Couldn't help himself could he?

The well-publicised pay jump to $5 million, he argues, is not all it seems when share vesting mechanisms are taken into account. The take home element is ''just over'' $3 million. ''Per hours worked, I am not the highest paid employee in the company, the A380 captains are''.

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I think I just vomitted in my mouth a little bit.

''Per hours worked, I am not the highest paid employee in the company, the A380 captains are."

Is he trying to piss off his staff, or does it just come naturally to him? This could only be true if he only counts flying hours as time worked. True or not he appears not to want to engage with staff.

Nasty piece of work.

Using that dodgy calculator again - matematical genius shouldn't need one to prove those figures slightly improbable.

What about this spin ?


He wants to slash 1000 jobs from the mainland, and venture into two new projects, one a low-cost offshoot based in Japan and another ''premium service'' based in south-east Asia.


The mainland???? Why not call it Australia? You know the place where Qantas was founded and the place it is supposed (according to the Qantas Sale Act) be based. Since when was it referred to as the mainland? Does this exclude Tasmania or something?

Talk about waving a red flag to a bull. He's counting flight time only. Include hours spent away from home base, meetings, briefing, appointments for medicals, time spent studying etc and his claim is just more Qantas lies

AJ is doing nothing to resolve matters - very clear he is trying to inflame the situation. He is inflaming staff, customers, shareholders and pretty much every Australian. So remind me again who is AJ acting/working for??

$3m/year = $57,692/week, not allowing for any annual leave.
At 84 hours worked per week (7 x 12 hours days), AJ's hourly rate = $686.

A380 captain hourly rate is something like $255?

.........it emerges that the move to a ''more Mediterranean diet'' came after a prostatectomy earlier this year. It was picked up almost by chance. A senior executive had left the company suffering what everyone thought was stress and was diagnosed with a thyroid problem. Joyce decided to launch a program of health checks for all senior staff, volunteering himself first.




What about a program of health checks for all staff ? Are they not deserving of a program of heath checks ? Nope . This is reserved for senior executives only, starting with himself.

Not only has he deliberately singled out the A380 drivers in a very dubious manner, but he seems to have flagged his intentions for the next battle if his form is any guide.

A380's to Japan, Uzbekistan, Russia, NZ, Singapore could be anywhere really.

This will kill off Int mainline completely.

Can someone please deal with him and this Board PLEASE.

"With a clear bill of health, he has since become an avid champion of early screening, throwing the might of Qantas behind the prostate cancer foundation.
Ordinary mortals might pause and take stock after a near miss like that, but the effect on Joyce has been the opposite"

And he wonders why he gets threatening email....:ugh:. How can fools like this become the CEO of our once great airline. I think a employee mutiny is in order!

Well its only fair the A380 Captains earn more per hour than Joyce.
They actually care what happens to Qantas and its passengers...

Quite the candid admission. Perhaps our captains of industry could learn quite alot from our captains of aircraft. They walk the walk on the important stuff.

A pilot as CEO? Well, they know about leadership. The aircraft and crew go where the captain directs it. Willingly. There's no "Do as I say, not as I do" on the flight deck. Captains lead by example, they take the passengers and crew with them, and they arrive at the destination together. Why? Because they have utmost faith in the captain's skill, experience and decision-making capabilities. Captains take responsibility for their errors and actively work to share those errors to prevent others making them. They don't allow mistakes to keep repeating every decade or so as a new tranche of F/Os come through with the latest theory from flight school - one that differs little from the tried and failed theory of a decade past. The fundamental laws of aerodynamics do not change, and the Civil Aviation Regulations are written in the blood and tears of hard-earned experience. There is no getting clever with lift, thrust, weight and drag, weather, pay-loads vs fuel-loads or alternate airports. The same is true of good leadership and business management. Forget all the seasonal, trendy, frilly add-ons. The core attributes of successful and respected leaders have been constant since the time of the Pharaohs. These attributes are found in every captain.

A pilot as head of "People"? Their stock-in-trade is crew resource management. Think about that phrase for a moment: "CREW" implies teamwork; "RESOURCE" implies that every single member of the crew has something important to add; "MANAGEMENT" implies making and acting on decisions to best ulitise the resources each crew member provides, not writing them off as rogues and kamikazes. Someone misbehaves? Hit them with a truncheon with due force to subdue the threat, handcuff them to the seat and hand them to the Police on arrival. No matter who the offender is. "Officer, this man's actions (insert appropriate choice from below here) endangered the aircraft".
Choices: cartel behaviour; erosion of shareholder value; failing to pay a dividend; poor fleet, route and timing decisions; failed outsourcing initiatives; giving away routes; creative accountancy etc etc etc.

A pilot as CFO? When a pilot works out his weight and balance and fuel required for a mission, there is only one correct answer. A pilot gets paid when he safely lands the aircraft. The passengers safely land with him. He doesn't operate in a little module called "underlying profits" that is completely detached from the reality of the main hull called "shareholder returns" - where his bonus is based on safely landing the little module and to hell with the flaming wreck of the main hull.

And as far as adequate recompense, "per hours work" are weasel words. A captain is not a brickie. He is a highly trained, highly experienced individual who brings a helluva lot more to the equation than "hours worked". A captain has to make his decisions in the blink of an eye at 30,000 feet and 1,000km/h in a pressurised metal and composite tube consisting of over a million sub-components assembled into numerous systems operating in harmony to keep said tube in the air and his passengers and crew alive. He usually makes his decisions in consultation with one other person of lesser experience but a part of the team all the same. And he has to make the RIGHT decision EVERY time. Where do you get to make your decisions? A plush office surrounded by "the best"(:yuk:) advice of your executive team. You get to go home and sleep on your decisions. Your poor decisions don't result in your own death and those of your 400 or more passengers and crew. The consequences for you are you receive $3 million instead of $5.1 million. You'll merely be forgotten as a mediocrity or remembered for the wrong reasons if your decisions are particularly poor. Poor you if you f*ck it up.

We the staff will follow the right leader to hell and back. A leader who shows respect, compassion and understanding for his people. A leader who recognises and takes responsibility for the poor decisions of the past, even if those decisions were not his own. A leader who acts in the best interests of ALL employees. A leader with the force of personality to convince others of the rightness of his decisions, and to bring others with him on the journey. A leader who treats all people equally, not based on their position in the hierarchy. Guaranteed if I drove drunk on the tarmac and racially abused a colleague, or bashed on my manager's door late at night to hand-deliver the latest notice of PIA... I'd be out on my ear. Not in this man's Qantas.

Nice work NM!

"Joyce....eats sparingly: calamari and John Dory fillets, no bread, no potatoes, no wine. When the strawberries turn up, he holds the cream, and the meal is finished with herbal tea.....On further prodding, it emerges that the move to a ''more Mediterranean diet'' came after a prostatectomy earlier this year"


This doesn't look like part of any Mediterranean Diet to me .






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I wonder who the brainchild was behind this latest publicity stunt.

I think that they know public support for the CEO is dire and want to improve his image before the upcoming AGM.

''At an early stage, she showed me the power of the mentor, and I have been lucky enough all the way through my career to have that, and I'm doing it myself now.''
From the SMH, you've got to be joking aren't you!

If his salary is $3m per year, on an A380 Capt hourly rate he works 30hrs per day, 365 days per year.

If his salary is $5m per year, it's 50hrs per day.

The guy is "amazing".

There are a lot of QF pilots that are familiar with the story of why AJ decided to get a PSA check. Not even a call to say thank you for convincing him to get a check done. Can't say any more that that!

The Big Lie
 

Well may QF Unions be accused of following the North American Union playbook by the Spokesmodel....

Better than the 3rd Reichs Propaganda playbook

Organ Grinder's Monkey
 

Joyce is merely the monkey in this scenario.Clifford is the organ grinder calling the shots.The reason(and its been said before)Joyce got the big gig is because he is compliant and grateful.When this is all over he goes back home with a bucket full of loot and away from the ire of the Australian population and Qantas employees.
Dixon,Clifford and Oldmeadow play a very long game.Even if they leave or curl up their toes the game is in embedded into corporate DNA.Indifferent government and a media made compliant by advertising dollars all contribute to the perpetuation of the grand plan.The current negotiations are a minor nuisance to these Machiavellian morons

There's also a few of us who aren't pilots that know why he got his PSA check !!

M.M right out and asked me about my PSA, I was able to tell him that I knew what mine was, and made sure it was checked regularly.

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Okay let me put this together so a 6 yr old can understand it. The Leprechaun reckons the A380 skippers get more than him, okay fair enuf he has a right to be silly as a wheel!. Well that being the case the way I see it whomever earns the most in a Co ought to be at the top leading the way so it's about time the QF board of ***** (Insert words that suit yr distaste for same) put an A380 skipper at the helm! Now wouldn't that be a hoot...........someone whom knows aviation to run an aviation Co............nah......'tell him he's dreamin'!:ugh:

As for getting rid of a 1000 employees....might as well tell 'em all they have cancer, same thing, killing them in a different way!


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Excuse me if I feel sick:ugh::ugh::ugh:

But how to get rid of Joyce and Clifford? They only thing you people have left is a mass walkout from EVERY section. Close the airline down, the Govt. (for want of a better word) will then step in and every thinking Aussie will then realise something is terribly wrong with management, and terribly wrong in the company. A huge decision I know, but obviously you all cannot go on like this, you can detect the distress in some of these blogs as your livelihood's are being threatened. All the strikes and pilots PA's are destabilizing for the company, which might in the long turn finally bring Joyce down, but at what cost to the rest of you? It needs to be quick and clean, and it needs somebody with the balls to lead the company, ALL of the company in revolt. I know it all sounds far fetched, but what is your alternative. The bloke is taking the company to the wall, knowingly taking the company to the wall, whether it is to bring it to its knees, fire the lot of you and bring you back on JQ contracts or what, I have not a clue. We all know Asia, we all know how the Asians feel about us, Japan tolerates, Indonesia loathes, Philippines needs our support, Thailand needs our tourists, China does not need help from anyone. Do they need our airline, well, no. Asia is littered with the bones of companies who thought that the Asians could be bought, it would all be money for jam, and why Joyce is going down this path is a absolute mystery, or absolute stupidity. Look at TE, going gangbusters, CX ditto, happy and thriving in their own little patch, and here is QF taking on the world, madness. Something has got to give here, sooner or later, and far better that is be managment, and have somebody who knows what they are doing take over, be it Norris or whoever, lets hope its sooner.

Teresa,

That kind of technique has been used before and it didn't work, what year was it again ?. The company does not care if you resign, you will be replaced, you will lose your family home and not be able to feed your children, F^&K that.

The path being followed is the correct one, a war on share prices, profitability and public perception, hit them in their KPI's and company profitability.

Perhaps AIPA should launch a defamation claim for telling lies that would be damaging, i.e. A380 Captains earn more than "him", its on public record and you'd be going after him personally. By saying such things, public perception could be changed, damage done................

I second that.

Defamation
 

Do it,somebody,do it.
What Joyce is getting away with is totally unacceptable by any standard

No, you people have the faulty calculator. Mr Joyce received a fixed pay of $2.04 million and $2.2 short term incentives according to the SMH. Fixed pay and incentives are not the same thing!

Therefore $2,040,000 / 5,840 hours (16 hours x 365 days) = $349 hourly rate. Incentives are at risk! - you can't take out a mortgage on incentives. Incentives are not pay, they are not "bankable". Repeat after me incentives are not pay.

When you factor in overtime,training, , superannuation, annual/sick/long service leave, allowances, sundries that's what an A380 Captain gets (standard rate = $269.16 per credit hour) per stick hour.

When are you people going to learn to compare apples with apples.

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So Joyce still gets paid more even by your logic

Mass walk out is not the answer because it will play into their hands.

There are issues that are coming up that deserve a fair serve back and which are not getting oxygen, while the company gets all the PR they want at no cost to them.

There are ways to pour petrol on these fires without risking jobs eg media council, asic, accc etc etc and for the life of me I dont understand why no one is playing as smart as the other guys and merely hold the central line while they keep dictating.

I don't see any consequences for the company as yet for anything they have done other than a pissed off workforce which is what they want. If you think otherwise, I think you are dreaming.

The AGM is another matter and lets hope someone gets that strategy right and I cannot wait for the company to create a diversion 1 or 2 days out which I am willing to put money on.

Burito,

Bonus or base wage is irrelevant, it is still your taxable income.

Yes, you are correct in saying the bank will not generally give a loan on a bonus.

Thanks for pointing out our misconceptions Brekky B...

Poor AJ slaving away for a paltry 2.04 million, 16 hrs per day every day of the year.

I seem to recall JB admitting that during the APA fiasco no one was actually running QF for 6 months..... Forgive me for not accepting our Dear Leaders assertion at face value.

Now imagine Captain Richard Champion de Crespigny for a moment following the inspirational lead provided by our "mentors" mentor by falling asleep at the wheel...

Sitting at the Rockpool, talking about his exquisite quisine (that most Aussie's could only imagine), then claiming some staff get paid more than him?? :rolleyes:

I thought the </s>(</sarcasim>) tag might have been a hint . Next time I'll have to be more explicit!

Sorry BB, didn't read your post. Saw every one else's though.:E

The way I see it ....

If the sentiments shown in PPRUNE are representative of the majority of Qantas employees, then it's fair to say that ... Qantas Staff are well and truly pissed off

With Qantas' foray into Asia, the company will require a fair amount of employee engagement to get through the inevitable change, hurdles and hard times. Obviously, this will be in short supply, considering the general staff sentiment.

Qantas will therefore need to either ... change their strategy and work towards placating their Staff and rebuild morale; or, employ local Asian staff and "beat them into engagement".

The alternative scenario is .... failure.

The bottom line is ... Qantas NEED their staff onside.

IF they realise this ... then it's a good bargaining tool for the Staff. If they don't, then it's the alternative scenario for you all.

P.S. I just can't see the leopard changing its spots ... under the current regime.

Things won't change at Qantas, there is no way the airline will improve until AJ and the upper management take some kind of ownership for the so called failures of the international arm of the airline, and start investing in the (Qantas) brand again.

This recent interview just goes to show how out of touch Joyce is with his front line staff, it's a situation that could be so easily resolved. For the last 5 years Qantas has run on the good will of it's staff and he needs to realise this is fast running out. For an airline to take 3 days to recover from a weather event should have warning bells sounding in Coward St, but they are spending too much money doing up their offices to hear them.