Anyone know when is the Jetconnect FWA case decision going to be handed down? It may have a bearing on whether this recruiting drive goes ahead...

What is the captain's package anybody? (I need a laugh)...

Quid pro quo tho' - currently I fly a UK reg aircraft in Europe on a Euro contract which is better than the equivalent UK deal (for now!)

I found the email from the recruiting company very confusing. Was the salary shown per month? With the typo it looks like they meant per year.

Captains Package

On commencement NZ$130,000
On completion of 1 year of service NZ$133,900
On completion of 2 years of service NZ$137,917
Flight Allowances
NZ$120.00 per credited block hour in excess of 65 credit block hours in a roster period
Scheduled flight duty (block hours) used
Note 1: 3.6 credit hours applied for each day on which ground duties are performed during the roster
period.
Note 2: 5.5 credit hours applied for each duty in a roster period where the pilot attends simulator duty or
recurrent Emergency procedures or Security training.
Bonuses
Sign-On Bonus
A320 Type Rated Captain – NZ$30,000
Non A320 Type Rated Captain – NZ$10,000 plus Jetstar to cover A320 Type Rating (3 year bond)

Note: The sign on bonus maybe used to cover relocation expenses. On production of tax receipts for
expenses incurred, the Pilot shall receive the total costs tax free as a portion of the sign on bonus.
Retention Bonus
NZ$20,000 per annum
Taxes
New Zealand PAYE deducted at source for all payments (see note in bonuses)
Contract Arrangements
Crew Members will be engaged as direct employees of Jetstar Airways Ltd (New Zealand).
Annual Leave
5 weeks per annum.
Sick Leave
The Pilot is entitled to paid sick leave of five (5) days per 12 months following the first six months of
continuous employment with the Company in accordance with the Holidays Act 2003 and relevant
Company Policy. This leave may be accumulated up to a maximum of 20 days current entitlement. Also,
a pilot sick leave pool can be accessed which provides up to 90 days upon application
Staff Travel
Yes. Entitlement after 6 months employment.
Loss of license Insurance
Reimbursement for purchase of Loss of License Insurance to a maximum of 1% of pilot’s annual base
salary (excluding allowances).
Accident Insurance
The provisions of the Injury, Prevention, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 2001 or any amending or
substituting Acts shall apply.
In-Flight Crew Meals Provided
Yes.
Days Off
10 days off per roster period (or equivalent per annum)
Relocation Tickets
Assistance maybe provided on a case by case basis for Pilots to utilise Jetstar network to travel to base
residence.
Layover Allowances
NZ$86 per overnight away from nominated base whilst overnighting in Australian bases, NZ$70 whilst
overnighting in New Zealand bases other than nominated base residence.
Work Day Off Payments
NZ$1,000/day.
Licence Renewal/Medical/Proficiency Checks
Licence arranged and paid for by pilot
Medical arranged and paid for by pilot
Proficiency checks arranged and paid for by Jetstar

F/O Package

On commencement NZ$65,000
On completion of 1 year of service NZ$66,950
On completion of 2 years of service NZ$68,959
Flight Allowances
NZ$60.00 per Credit Block hour in excess of 65 credit block hours in a roster period
Scheduled flight duty (block) hours used
Note 1: 3.6 credit hours applied for each day on which ground duties are performed during the roster
period.
Note 2: 5.5 credit hours applied for each duty in a roster period where the pilot attends simulator duty or
recurrent Emergency procedures or Security training.
Retention Bonus
NZ$10,000 per annum

Note: Non-Type rated pilots will forgo this payment which contributes towards repaying the cost of A320
type rating.
Taxes
New Zealand PAYE deducted at source.
Contract Arrangements
Crew Members will be engaged as direct employees of Jetstar Airways Ltd (New Zealand).
Annual Leave
5 weeks per annum.
Sick Leave
The Pilot is entitled to paid sick leave of five (5) days per 12 months following the first six months of
continuous employment with the Company in accordance with the Holidays Act 2003 and relevant
Company Policy. This leave may be accumulated up to a maximum of 20 days current entitlement. Also,
a pilot sick leave pool can be accessed which provides up to 90 days upon application
Staff Travel
Yes. Entitlement after 6 months employment.
Loss of license Insurance
Reimbursement for purchase of Loss of License Insurance to a maximum of 1% of pilot’s annual base
salary (excluding allowances).
Accident Insurance
The provisions of the Injury, Prevention, Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 2001 or any amending or
substituting Acts shall apply.
In-Flight Crew Meals Provided
Yes.
Days Off
10 days off per roster period (or equivalent per annum)
Relocation Allowance/Tickets
Assistance maybe provided on a case by case basis for Pilots to utilise Jetstar network to travel to base
residence.
Layover Allowances
NZ$86 per overnight away from nominated base whilst overnighting in Australian bases, NZ$70 whilst
overnighting in New Zealand bases other than nominated base residence.
Work Day Off Payments
NZ$500/day.
Licence Renewal/Medical/Proficiency Checks
Licence arranged and paid for by pilot
Medical arranged and paid for by pilot
Proficiency checks arranged and paid for by Jetstar

Metroman

Thanks for the info. So they are direct employees of Jetstar New Zealand - surprising!!

But still the package on offer is way off the mark.

So the endorsement is NZ$20k (30k sign on bonus - 10k reduced bonus in no type rating)

So about 16k Australian.

Makes the AUD30k that the cadets are paying seem inflated. Hmmmmm.

More to Follow

The Kelpie

That package is less than when Jetstar started A320 ops how many years ago.

This raises more questions than answers;

This is a significantlyworse remuneration and T&C package than in Oz but pilots are required to hold an Oz licence and fly Oz registered aircraft. Isn't this exactly the scenario QF pilots are fighting for; "offshoring".

Jetstar pilots are about to undermined in the same manner that the Irishman used them to undermine QF.

The silence from Jetstar pilots is deafening.

Apparently they have had a number of applications!

Just makes me realise I will never come back to this part of the world, as much as I love it, as people are obviously willing to work for a salary that is just disgraceful for this profession.

I am just amazed anyone would work for this package.

As a group, we really do suck. The CEO's, management and accountants exploit this.

No doubt these applicants will be complaining on this forum about their poor terms and conditions.

If you are getting an A320 rating and a few hours to go and earn big bucks in China...then good luck to you :ok:

I'm an ex-Ansett guy, now working as a Captain in the UK on the A320. Much as I would come back to Oz - this offer ain't enough to do it ... even if it was choice of base in Oz!

Get close to doubling it, and it would be a consideration.

J*
 

evyjet,
Money isn't everything mate. Sure money is better in China but you can't compare LIVING in China with OZ or NZ, it's F***** !!!!!
The main issue will always be Money vs quality of life.
I agree with most of you guys, the J* package is not that great, but it's all supply and demand..... :cool:

I agree, money isn't everything, having said that why would anyone in their right mind chose to work for Bogan Air in NZ when you can get a job with better life style flying turbo props for similar or more money?

74world

I agree China is a dump. Having worked in Asia, I can only imagine what working in China is like.

I guess the comparison is a little silly, but the money J* are offering really hits home what we are all thought of back home. Money may not be everything, but it sure is a huge part IMHO.

The only thing these guys have going for them is their location. J* itself is has nothing to offer as a company other than location of their base. But even weighing that up, this offer is a joke.

Evy

Agreed the package may not be wonderful but exactly what other Jet direct entry command job in NZ are there. Can't think of any, Air NZ isn't about to start up a LCC again.

So if you don't want to work contract for an asian carrier on a NZ base 18 on/ 12 off, and want to wake up most mornings, read The Herald and walk the dog, go to work with a crew you can relate to, then it's a no brainer.

Would put a beer on this being the only direct entry narrowbody or widebody jet job on a permanent contract, working in NZ, being home most nights, that you will see in NZ for the next 30 years.

Bitch all you want about how you don't love NZ that much but at the end of the day if there wasn't a requirement to already be able to live and work in NZ there would be a deluge of guys from the UK/Sandpit/Asia.

Took 7 hrs to get enough skippers when Jetstar advertised for direct entry 330 captains on the Perth base.

330 perth base ????

Stillalbatross,

Well with your reasoning maybe they should LOWER the package then!:ugh:

Stillalbatross - fine given your personal circumstances etc., but the reality of the JQ aviation parasites is that next time round they will be driving your deal down by undercutting - they did it with their 'start up' CC in AUS and their record of integrity is sadly lacking.

Even with the wife/kid/dog factors (which ARE important) - it's still a dud deal that only serves to drive the benchmak down. The net impact on the airline's CASK by paying Pilots as professionals is so minor that it does not warrant the time to do the maths.

Enjoy it mate if it's what you want, but don't expect AUS Pilots to be happy when JQ starts backdooring QF again with domestic 'tag' flights across our patch.

Ultimately the parasites in control of JQ will screw us all over unless we're happy living on third world conditions in the burbs of southern china.

AT

The problem isn't Rishworth they're just trying to make some cash!

The problem is the Jetstar pilots!

Where are they? They have their heads down and their tails between their legs. They are the ones that have screwed the conditions for all, for the future!

They are not standing up to the company against this orange cancer that they are creating. They should be pushing for a recruitment ban against all new hires on these terms and conditions.

But why? because they don't give a crap about anyone but themselves!

Actually, the FO side of the Jetstar Contract needs serious addressing. As for the Captain's package though, when taken into account can anyone here name a single airline OPERATING IN NEW ZEALAND where you can have the same money after a Direct Entry Command.

I can tell you there aren't, negotiations are ongoing with the company with the goal of getting everyone on a Collective Agreement (CEA) on improved terms, earning around $180,000 per year as an A320 skipper in NZ is an 'o.k' package if this is where you want to live. Freedom skippers started on $115,000, this Jetstar 'package' is better than Pacific Blue and on par with Jet Connect. The gaping hole in the whole deal is that of the FO, they need to be on 66% of the Captains pay and not 50% as is the current case.

I too worked in the UK on a vastly superior package to this, you have to ask yourself 'how much is living in NZ worth to you?'. This job is NOT for Aussies wanting to return home, this is being advertised for all those kiwi operators who are in far flung points of the world who are sick and tired of living overseas. Interestingly in the local papers this morning it was stated that less than 2% of the population in New Zealand earn more than $150,000 per year!! With the current exchange rate I earn the same as a skipper at Easyjet. Comparing NZ salaries with what people are earning overseas is unrealistic. $150,000 - $200,000 per year in New Zealand is a bloody good wage, it doesn't match up to Air New Zealand, but that is a different beast. Those wage days are over, look at where Qantas is heading. Good on Air NZ blokes for earning what they do, I hope it continues for them uninterrupted for the rest of their careers. I suspect not though.

"Where are they? They have their heads down and their tails between their legs. They are the ones that have screwed the conditions for all, for the future!

They are not standing up to the company against this orange cancer that they are creating. They should be pushing for a recruitment ban against all new hires on these terms and conditions.

But why? because they don't give a crap about anyone but themselves!"

Thats a little harsh BB, we have all requested directly, through our unions, to the company, through our representatives, that we do not condone what the company is doing, and that we want all pilots flying for JQ with a VH on the tail, that they be employed on the Australian EBA. I take offence to your comments and think that you are quite uneducated with what is going on at JQ. :=

I reckon they are ramping up the nz operation in order to take over the Tasman completely.
If I was a Jetconnect pilot I would be applying for contract jobs overseas right now.I may be wrong, but why else would you need all these new captains and First Officers?
I'm bl00dy glad I got out of Aus and NZ when I did. Crazy.

Tryhard1, I don't think AH was being especially harsh. If there is one thing that is worth putting your job on the line for, it is job security. That is what the Qantas pilots are starting to realise, and the J* Oz guys should be getting that drift too.
Air NZ has a robust "scope" clause, that means Air NZ aircraft are flown by Air NZ pilots, any subsidiary jet operations are included, and give rights to Air NZ pilots to fly them. This is why Freedom ended up being irrelevent, and it's pilots got a pretty good deal to take up their "reserved" seniority number and integrate into the Air NZ pilot group.
That clause was not won easily, and took a bit more that "requesting" and "not condoning". If you want to preserve your jobs, you will need to fight for them.....the company and its accountants see you as nothing but "resource" and will screw you over as soon as look at you.
Pilots need to start thinking globally....airlines certainly are, and when the first J*NZ pilots begin flying in OZ (in the VH reg aircraft, on their Oz licences), the Australian J* pilots will be facing a worse problem than the QF pilots have now....
You guys need to wake up, your company are already undercutting you!